5 Things Mormons Believe That Other Christians Do Not, But Make So Much Sense

5 Things Mormons Believe That Other Christians Do Not (but make so much sense)

Mormons are Christians—they believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior. That said, there are plenty of Mormon beliefs that go against the grain of many modern sects of Christianity. And as it turns out, they make a whole lot of sense.

1. Mormons believe there are still prophets today

LDS Church leadership
via lds.org

Mormons believe that God spoke directly to certain individuals in antiquity, such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc. They believe he still speaks to certain individuals, called prophets, today. Because, why wouldn’t he?

Some theologians argue that the Bible holds all of the prophetic counsel we’ll ever need. But, respectfully, why? The Bible itself is simply a combination of smaller books that serve as evidence of God speaking to prophets over thousands and thousands of years. Why would he neglect us in modern times? The Mormons say He hasn’t, isn’t and won’t.

This concept really rubs a lot of Christians the wrong way. That said, scripturally, it’s a very rare occasion when people believe in an actual, current prophet. They always seem to believe in the prophets that lived before them, but really struggle to believe in the one standing in front of them. Exhibit A: Jesus Christ himself. The most powerful of all prophets (not to mention, the Savior). The people believed in Moses and Abraham, but crucified Christ.

Despite our mortal shortcomings, Mormons believe that God has provided prophets to us today, just as he did in ancient times. Makes sense, right?

For more on what Mormons believe about prophets and apostles, click here.

2. Mormons believe that God spoke to more than just ancient Israel

Painting of Christ visiting people on western hemisphere of the worldThe Bible is the record of God’s dealings with the people in the ancient Middle Eastern region. Mormons definitely believe in the Bible, but they believe God dealt with people in other areas of the world as well. Because, again, why wouldn’t He?

In addition to the Bible, Mormons study The Book of Mormon, which is simply the record of God’s dealings with a branch of Israel on the ancient American continent. If God truly loves His children (us), why would He communicate exclusively to those in the Middle East? It makes sense that He would spread his message around the globe. It also makes sense that those who heard His message would write it down. So, I guess it makes sense that there might be more scripture than just the Bible.

Don’t get me wrong, the Bible is great—but if there’s more of the word of God out there that corroborates, supports and elaborates on what the Bible says, you can bet I’ll be all over that.

For more on The Book of Mormon, click here.

3. Mormons believe that marriage and family continue after this life

Mormon temple in Salt Lake City, Utah
Mormon couples are “sealed” in temples like this one. Image via llens photography.

I recently did a three-month stint in the most beautiful country I’ve ever seen—New Zealand. It was magnificent. The beaches were pristine, the foliage was lush and the people were saint-like. But then I realized something: I desperately wanted my family there with me. Despite the natural wonders of New Zealand, that paradise was not paradise without my family around me. I was alone.

Heaven isn’t Heaven without your family.

Mormons believe that marriage does not end with, “till death do us part.” Instead, a Mormon wedding ceremony (they call it, a sealing ceremony) uses the terminology, “for time and all eternity.” If both parties involved live worthily of heaven, their marriage continues into the eternities. Romantic, isn’t it?

For more on what Mormons believe about marriage and family, click here.

4. Mormons believe there is so much more than Heaven and Hell

A sunsetAs a child I always wondered where the dividing line between Heaven and Hell was. I looked at it as a very measurable judgement. I thought, “How many sins can I commit before I cross into Hell-judgement territory?” What is Hell like? What is Heaven like? Are we just going to be peacefully praying on clouds for all eternity? Because, to be completely frank, that sounds like it would get monotonous really fast.

Mormons believe that Heaven is separated into what they call Kingdoms of Glory. There are three kingdoms, each more glorious and awesome than the last. Judgment from God is less of a yes/no decision and more of a placement on a heavenly spectrum. This makes a whole lot of sense. With such a vast range of righteousness and wickedness amongst humanity, it makes sense that there is more than the traditional binary Heaven or Hell.

For more on what Mormons believe about Heaven and Hell, click here.

5. Mormons believe you should get baptized in the same way that Jesus Christ did

John the Baptist baptizing ChristIt’s commonly understood in many Christian congregations that baptism is meant to cleanse you from sin. Mormons agree, but the concept begs the question: If Jesus was sinless, why would he need to be baptized? One of the Mormon Church’s holy texts, The Book of Mormon (which we’ll talk more about later) has a solid answer:

And now, if the Lamb of God, he being holy, should have need to be baptized by water, to fulfil all righteousness, O then, how much more need have we, being unholy, to be baptized, yea, even by water!

The Mormon Church is extremely Christ-centered. They believe He is their perfect example in all things. As such, they believe they should be baptized like Christ was—by complete immersion in a body of water.

But there’s another important aspect of Christ’s baptism that the Mormons take very seriously—authority. According to the scriptures, Christ must have traveled multiple days to reach John the Baptist at the Jordan River. Why would he have traveled so far just so John would baptize him? Well, because John was the only man in the area that had authority to baptize. Mormons call this priesthood authority, and believe it is essential for a valid baptism.

It might seem a bit strict, but it makes total sense. You can’t just ask the ice cream man to baptize you—unless he has the God-given authority to do so.

Mormons believe that authority was lost from the earth once Christ was crucified, His apostles were killed and His teachings were corrupted. They also believe it was restored again to a prophet named Joseph Smith in 1829 and continues within the Church today.

For more on what Mormons believe about baptism, click here.

Note from the author to my fellow Christians

If you’re not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church), it’s probably going to be very easy to interpret some of the points in this article as complete slams on popular Christian beliefs. That is not at all my intention.

I grew up in a predominantly Christian town and the faith of my Christian friends strengthens me. I’ve visited their Sunday services and love their unique perspectives. At the end of the day, all Christians (including Mormons) are just trying to better themselves, and that’s great. It’s true that Mormons believe many long-standing Christian beliefs are incomplete, but we fully recognize the good intentions behind them.

Despite our differences, we can all agree on the one belief that brings us together: Jesus Christ is our Savior.

David Snell is a proud member of the LDS Church. He is a BYU graduate, the Founder of The Sunday Pews, and has experience writing for Mormon Newsroom Pacific, KBYU11, Classical 89 Radio, FamilyShare.com and plenty more. He doesn't take himself too seriously and just wants to brighten your day a bit.
  • Franklin Warner

    Vivistan, Thank you for the concern you are showing it speaks well of you that you are reaching out to others!

    Having been an evangelical for 40 years before coming over the the Mormon faith I am familiar with many of your arguments having used them myself. But food for thought, what did God mean when he said :

    Genesis 1;26, Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image…

    or Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair

    or 1 John 3:2 We shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is.

    Latter Day Saints believe in the doctrine of eternal progression. Meaning that we shall move closer to perfection as we become more aligned to His will.

    Does that mean that we will become “gods”? I don’t know. Having an evangelical background I always thought that when I got to heaven that I would be “perfect” in the sense that Adam was before the fall. I don’t know, but I really don’t think it matters because it involves things that are in my distant future and we are told to be mindful of today (Matthew 6:34)

    Paul warns in Titus 3:9-11 not to get bogged down in trivial debates about doctrine as they are counter productive.

    And that is the point I’d like to make. Christ tells us that the whole law is fulfilled in the two commandments of, “love the lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, mind, body, and spirit, and to love thy neighbor as thyself. (Matthew 22:27)

    More to the point, when you and I and everyone else who claims to belong to Him has to stand before Him on that day and give an accounting of ourselves He is not going to ask us if we spoke int tongues, or venerated the saints, or whether or not we performed baptisms for the dead (see I Cor 15:29), He is simply going to ask us whether or not we took care of the people He told us to take care of (parable Sheep and the Goats). That’s it

    If we did, “Well done good and faithful servant.” If not, well it won’t be a good day for you….

    I didn’t become a LDS member because I woke up one morning and decided that everything I had believed for four decades was wrong. I became a member because, despite doctrinal differences, I saw a group of people who possessed the fruits of the spirit in abundance and I wanted to be part of that.

    One of my favorite verses in the Book of Mormon says, in part, “If you believe not these words then believe in Christ….” I hope as Christians we can all help each other develop a better relationship with Christ and in turn help others find Him.

    Thank you for showing so much concern. May our Father bless and keep you!

  • Franklin Warner

    Concerning baptism…..
    Having been an evangelical for 40 years (becoming LDS a year and a half ago) I would like to point out, humbly and with a spirit of love, that you seem to have some misconceptions about baptism.
    1) Most “traditional” Christian denominations practice baptism by full immersion.
    2) Most “traditional” Christian denominations do not teach that baptism provides forgiveness of sins. We teach that forgiveness and repentance provide forgiveness of sins. It is taught that baptism is our way of making a public declaration of our faith (if you confess me before men I will confess you before my Father. Romans 10:9). It is symbolic of laying aside our old life and picking up the new life as a servant of Christ. It is also used by Christians who want to make a re-dedication of their lives if they have been away from the faith for awhile.
    3) Concerning authority – I never heard of anyone being baptized by the guy they met on the street. In my experience, baptisms are conducted by a minister (who will argue with you if you question his calling or authority to oversee the spiritual needs of his congregation).
    I hope this helps those who have questions what our brethren in other denominations believe and how they go about acting out their faith.

  • gunnery_76

    Mormons also believe that you must work to gain access to heaven.

    First, you must do all the works that you can do to earn grace, then grace is given to you to strengthen you to allow you to do more works.

    Mormonism’s definition of “Grace” itself is very different than the Christian definition.

    Mormonism is a “works based” religion, where Christianity is “faith based”.

    This is why most people do not regard Mormons as Christian at all.

    • Christopher D. Cunningham

      All of which would be very interesting if true. I’d recommend starting with the Epistle of James to get a better sense for LDS doctrine on grace and works.

      • gunnery_76

        Mormons always point to James, but ignore the many other scriptures that explain this further and in more detail works are not required for salvation.

        There are many scriptures that teach this, and I’ll list one here:

        Ephesians 2:8-9

        You can’t earn your salvation. It is a free gift of God to those who believe in Jesus Christ.

        James is building on the foundation that Paul had set down in Romans.

        The entire purpose of the book of Romans is to teach that salvation is free and without price to those who believe. You can’t earn it, not even part of it, on your own.

        This is a HUGE difference between Mormons and Christians.

        • Christopher D. Cunningham

          Oh heavens, I wasn’t trying to argue with you about which religion was correct. Your original post just contained so many misunderstandings about my religion, I thought I’d help you understand us better.

          James is a great place to start. But if you’re trying to understand our doctrine, you can also look at Galatians, 2 Nephi 9, and Alma 5. If I was trying to understand what Mormons actually believe, rather than what you have mistakenly written, I would start there.

          Romans as you mention is also great, if you’re trying to understand the LDS perspective, I’d go to chapters 7 and 8, which I think inform our understanding of Paul’s writings significantly. Even Ephesians 2 is very helpful to understanding what Mormons believe. We believe every word in the chapter.

          Best wishes as you learn to apply the grace of the Savior in your life.

          • gunnery_76

            No, I am not mistaken. I am dead on correct.

            Mormons believe that you must do “works” to gain salvation. You must be baptized, become a member of the Mormon church, pay tithing, obey all commandments, and be married in the temple and wear garments. You falter at any one of these, you lose your salvation.

            This is taught even in your most basic Gospel Doctrine classes.

            Christians believe that you must have faith in Jesus Christ. That’s it. No works required. John 3:16 is the entirety of the Christian faith.

          • Christopher D. Cunningham

            You’re obviously right, that when Jesus speaks in Matthew 7:21, Mormons believe him. We believe everything Jesus said, so we can’t leave parts like that out. And you’re right, that Mormons love the commandments of God, and strive to follow all of them. Those commandments are taught all the way from Moses on Mt. Sinai right down to our Gospel Doctrine classes.

            But your assertion that if we falter at any we lose our salvation has no basis in our doctrine. Read Ephesians 2, as an example. That chapter is an important part of our doctrine. You could also try 2 Nephi 10 and Ether 12 from the Book of Mormon.

            John 3:16, of course, is also very important to us, but so are the other 23,144 other verses in the New Testament. That’s one of the things I like about my faith is that we believe all of the Bible. So if you quote me a verse, we believe it. So if you think you know something about Mormonism that contradicts that verse, you’ve misunderstood our faith, because we believe exactly what the Bible teaches.

          • gunnery_76

            You believe when you falter, you don’t lose your salvation….

            …if you repent, and take the sacrament to “renew your covenants”, and remain worthy until the end by continuing to repent and take the sacrament.

          • Christopher D. Cunningham

            I mean you’ve got the gist, but what’s missing from the formulation is Jesus. Jesus is the source of salvation for me and for others in my faith.

  • Sashabill

    The Mormon teaching about the inherent worth and ultimate divine potential of mankind is a sharp contrast (and a welcome relief) from all of the degrading and belittling of the individual that is often heard from right wing Protestants. (The notion that we are all just “unworthy,” “by nature evil,” “totally depraved,” ‘miserable sinners”, and all the rest of that garbage.) This promotes an attitude of little more than chronic self-loathing or self-denigration. Drumming that kind of teaching into the minds of young children is flat out SICK, I don’t care how “Christian ” it is.

  • Ron Den Boer

    And the Book of Mormon does teach original sin

    • Sashabill

      The B of M does not teach that we are personally guilty (culpable) from birth for Adam’s transgression.

    • Sashabill

      The B of M does not teach that we are all inherently personally GUILTY (as in “culpable”) for what happened in the Garden of Eden. This was what I was driving at.

    • Sashabill

      The B of M does not teach that we are all personally GUILTY (as in “culpable”) for what happened in the Garden of Eden. That was what I was driving at.

  • Ron Den Boer

    Mormons teach there god was a fallen, exalted, saved, finite man like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

    “The Gods who dwell in the Heaven…have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state….they were exalted also, from fallen men to Celestial Gods to inhabit their Heaven forever and ever.” (Apostle Orson Pratt in The Seer, page 23)

    Would you think fallen means sinner In the 1844 LDS publication, Times and Seasons, volume 5, pages 613-614,… Joseph Smith reiterated that God was an exalted man and that Mormon men could also become Gods. This teaching is well documented, as is their claim that God is not a spirit being, but that he has a body of flesh and bone.

    “God is a perfected, saved soul enjoying eternal life.” (Second Counselor in the First Presidency, Marion G. Romney, as per Salt Lake Tribune, April 3, 1977.)

    It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being; and yet we are not in such close communion with him as many have supposed. He has passed on, and is exalted far beyond what we can now comprehend. Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 334

    Doctrine and Covenant’s 132:
    20: 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

    37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

  • John Cline

    Thank you for the article. But all five points presented by Benson deal with Christ’s mortal ministry and beyond. But before that, how was Christ divine? In the pre-existence, before the foundation of the world, how was Jesus, who lacked a body, an eternal companion, and the essential mortal experience (all of which are pre-requisites for Godhood for you and the rest of God’s children) – how was Jesus divine? The Pre-Mortal Messiah…. how was he divine? How was the pre-mortal Christ considered to be God?

    • David Snell

      Really interesting question, John. One I’ve never come across before. Here’s an extensive article I found that addresses Christ’s premortal Godhood from the Religious Studies Center at BYU. I think it addresses your question quite thoroughly:


      If the point you’re trying to make here is that your sect of Christianity has slightly different views on Christ than our sect does, you’re probably right. In fact, one of the reasons there are so many different sects of Christianity in the world today is for that exact reason (yet we still call them Christian). If everybody agreed on every detail there would be much fewer churches to choose between.

      If that is enough for you to form a non-Christian opinion of us, then that’s up to you and I totally respect that. However, we will still proudly claim to be your fellow Christians and we will still earnestly spread the message to the world that Jesus Christ is our Savior.

  • Jenna

    I think the claim, “If God truly loves His children (us), why would He communicate exclusively to those in the Middle East? ” is very interesting. I can see you point but I could also make the claim that, if God truly loves his children why would create many different religions but only make one of them true? Why would he make only one true church and only have a small small fraction of the population know about the true church? If he loves everyone wouldn’t he want everyone to know the truth? Why would he let some people be completely devoted to their religion, like Muslims, Jews, baptists, or catholics, and withhold the “true religion” from everyone else? Just curious what you think of this.

    • David Snell

      Ah! Jenna! Love this comment. Such FANTASTIC questions.

      The answer to your questions is strongly founded in the principle of “free agency,” or the ability human kind has to act for his/herself. God doesn’t force people to do things. For example, if I wanted to go off and start “The Church of David Snell” I would be totally free to do that. I doubt God would stop me. I’ll give you some nutshell responses (because my wife and I are about to have dinner) and then some really good resources that can help answer your questions in a more in-depth way.

      1. Why would he create many religions but only make one of them true?

      He didn’t create so many religions, we did.

      2. Why would he make only one true church and only have a small small fraction of the population know about the true church?

      Great question. It seems unfair, doesn’t it? Thankfully, according to our faith, those that never had the opportunity to learn about Christ and his gospel in this life will have that opportunity after they’ve passed on.

      3. If he loves everyone wouldn’t he want everyone to know the truth?

      He definitely does. That’s why He had a very specific missionary program in biblical times, and why we have over 70,000 missionaries all over the world today (except where governments prohibit it, which is unfortunate. Another “free agency” thing). I was a missionary in Mexico. My brother is a missionary in Africa right now. My wife was a missionary in France.

      4. Why would he let some people be completely devoted to their religion, like Muslims, Jews, baptists, or catholics, and withhold the “true religion” from everyone else?

      I don’t think he’s withholding anything. The resources are definitely out there and he wants people to take advantage of them. However, again, He’s not going to force everyone to believe (I think that’s against His beliefs). Additionally, we’re all subject to culture (including you and I), which can further complicate things.

      I know those are all short answers. I strongly encourage you to bring these same questions up with the people trying to spread the gospel to every nation, tongue and people: https://www.mormon.org/chat

      And here’s a speech on what the “one true church” looked like back when Christ founded it in biblical times (which, unfortunately, crumbled after his death and the martyrdom of his apostles): https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/article/ces-devotionals/2014/01/what-is-the-blueprint-of-christs-church?lang=eng

      • Jenna

        Thank you for your response. I just have a few comments. If you are making the claim that we (humans) made all of these religions, then you would be saying that we also made the LDS church, which makes it seem no different than any other church. You also say that you could go and make your own church and god wouldn’t stop you. Thats exactly what Joseph Smith did, so who is to say that he just went and made his own church and didn’t actually receive revelation?

        I guess this is always I problem I’ve had with the church. Why do we need to know that the church is true? Why is that so important? Is it because nobody would do the crazy things that this church asks if it weren’t true? I definitely feel like people give the church a lot of free passes because they think it’s true. People often give the response “well we cannot see the things that God sees, and even if we don’t understand something we should just have faith” To me that seems like an abuse of free agency. If something doesn’t seem right then confront it, don’t just say that its simple something we cant understand. Why does this church have to be true to follow it? I mean nobody actually knows that the church is true, people have faith that the church is true. But no ones knows for a fact that this church is true. To me I don’t think it is necessary to know something is true to believe in it. I think people can get very caught up in the idea of the church being true and it makes them sort of desensitized to some of the faults of the church. This can get dangerous because people will stop at nothing to defend the church instead of admitting that there are faults. I don’t think there is anything wrong with questioning the church and realizing there are faults. But because so many people are fixated with the idea of it being true, they are very unwilling to see the many problems with the church. Maybe its because if they think the church has faults then it wouldn’t be true.

        To me, it just doesn’t make sense that there would only be one true church. I don’t think that God cares what religion we belong to as long as we are good people and we strive to make the world a better place. To me, I don’t think any God would want some of his people to be happy and others to not be happy. It makes me very sad to believe in the God of the Mormon church.

        With that said, I was raised mormon and I went to church every Sunday for 18 years and was pretty active. Church ruined my self esteem and was a terrible experience for me. It drove a wedge through my family and I never felt good when I was at church. I prayed and did everything that I was supposed to, but all I ever felt from church was judgment and shame from my peers. I don’t think I’ll ever be active again, but I am still very interested in talking openly about church.

        I really do not mean to offend people, I just wish more TBM’s would be open to point of views such as mine. I think that a lot of people at church are very close minded towards other peoples opinions and people are afraid to have real discussions. Lets talk about church more openly! Lets have discussions! Lets be open to what everyone has to say! I respect people who are still in the church and I really have no problems with the church anymore, it just didn’t work out for me. I am very happy with my life now, and I am happier than I have been in 18 years. I enjoy discussing topics like this because I never got to discuss them in Sunday school or young women’s. So thank you for any input. I hope people can openly discuss some of the things we have brought up.

        • David Snell

          Jenna, thanks for the sincere response! I agree that these discussions need to take place. In fact, I agree with a lot of what you’ve said. I’ll try to respond as comprehensively as I know how.

          “If you are making the claim that we (humans) made all of these religions, then you would be saying that we also made the LDS church, which makes it seem no different than any other church. You also say that you could go and make your own church and god wouldn’t stop you. Thats exactly what Joseph Smith did, so who is to say that he just went and made his own church and didn’t actually receive revelation?”

          I believe Christ established a church (singular) during his earthly ministry, as suggested in Matt 16:18 and other scriptures. I believe this church was the organized vehicle by which followers of Christ were meant to live the gospel. The God I believe in is a God of order, not of confusion, so it makes sense to me that He would organize a real church led by prophets and apostles to help people stay true to the teachings of the gospel. The original, ancient church, however, failed, when Christ and other leaders of the church were killed. Without that ecclesiastical leadership, the teachings of the gospel were subject to the interpretation of the membership. This led to disagreements on doctrine, which led to the establishment of break-off churches. This is what I meant when I said we (humans) made these religions. I believe the original church was established by Christ, but subsequent ones were established by humans. These other churches all had elements of truth from the original church, which made them all good, but they never had the complete truth (which is fairly easy to understand placed in the context of a culture that murdered the son of God). In a nutshell, the church shattered, and everybody took a little piece.

          When it comes to Mormonism, you’ve probably heard/been taught plenty about the “Restoration”. In essence, we believe that God used a prophet (as he has used throughout the Bible; Moses, Noah, Abraham, etc.) named Joseph Smith to restore that same original church that Christ established. Yes, it’s totally easy to simply think that Joseph Smith just made it all up. That’s the great challenge of Mormonism. Did he or didn’t he? For me, that’s why I place so much value on The Book of Mormon. If Joseph Smith made it up, he’s obviously a fraud. If he didn’t, then it’s a big deal. I don’t believe he made it up, though plenty believe differently, which is fine.

          “I guess this is always I problem I’ve had with the church. Why do we need to know that the church is true? Why is that so important? Is it because nobody would do the crazy things that this church asks if it weren’t true? I definitely feel like people give the church a lot of free passes because they think it’s true.”

          I don’t think that what the church asks us to do it crazy, (though Christ sure has asked some weird things in the past… like dunking yourself 7 times in muddy water, or rubbing mud on your eyes, etc.) but I do think it’s demanding. In that sense, yes, it’s important to me to know, or at least believe, that there are real commandments and blessings attached to the things I do. Would I pay tithing and abstain from tea/coffee/alcohol/etc. If I didn’t believe the church was true? Probably not. Additionally, if the church is true (another way of saying that the doctrines it teaches are real) then I know what happened before/what happens after this life. That’s valuable to me. I know my purpose in this life. I need to know (or at least believe) those things are true.

          “ I mean nobody actually knows that the church is true, people have faith that the church is true. But no ones knows for a fact that this church is true.”

          I suppose you’re right. I haven’t seen God. I haven’t interviewed Joseph Smith. While I admit I do not have a physical, face-to-face testimony, the purpose of the Holy Ghost is to bear witness of truth. In that sense, I would say that I have a spiritual knowledge of the truthfulness of the gospel. But I think you have a point in that the line between “I know” and “I believe” is often a blurry one. Maybe we would be wise to use “I believe” more.

          As far as “free passes” go, I largely agree with you. If we have a problem with a church policy or doctrine, we should try to figure it out. That said, if we have a firm belief or spiritual knowledge that the foundation of the church is real, then I believe we should tackle tangential doubts with patience and faith, understanding that answers may simply not be available. Understanding also that absence of evidence does not mean that evidence is absent. Yes, people (even church leaders) make mistakes and we need to understand that. And it’s true that members will often get very defensive when confronted with some of those mistakes (not referring to anything specifically). I mean, even one of the original apostles selected by the hand of Christ himself (Judas) betrayed Him. Church leaders were not perfect in the ancient church, just as more modern ones are not, but that does not invalidate the teachings of Christ or the church He established. It simply highlights the humanity of even the best of us. I have full confidence that I am a member of the restored Church of Christ, but I think expecting total and complete perfection from members, bishops, stake presidents or even top leadership exhibits a misunderstanding of that same gospel.

          “To me, it just doesn’t make sense that there would only be one true church. I don’t think that God cares what religion we belong to as long as we are good people and we strive to make the world a better place. To me, I don’t think any God would want some of his people to be happy and others to not be happy. It makes me very sad to believe in the God of the Mormon church.”

          Of course, God wants EVERYONE to be happy. Mormons definitely believe that. Can you be happy and not be a Mormon? Of course you can! I have some unhappy Mormon friends, I have some ecstatic, God-loving non-Mormon friends. There’s always going to be a bit of everything in any religion. That said, to me, it makes total sense that there is only one church. Again the only reason there are so many churches/religions to begin with is because people disagree on fundamental doctrines. I believe that you can find some truth in all of them, which comes from God and makes people happy, but I believe the fullness (emphasis) of the gospel is found in the one church Christ established anciently, which I believe has been restored today.

          “Church ruined my self esteem and was a terrible experience for me. It drove a wedge through my family and I never felt good when I was at church. I prayed and did everything that I was supposed to, but all I ever felt from church was judgment and shame from my peers.”

          I’m so sorry you’ve had such a wretched experience in the church. That, obviously, is not what the gospel of Jesus Christ is all about. It is undeniably wrong to treat someone how you’ve described. That said (and this is not to marginalize your experience in any way), I go to church because I believe it is true. I cannot deny that The Book of Mormon is of God, which leaves me no choice but to remain in the only church that treats it as the word of God. To be perfectly frank (and this is much easier said than done, I know) the bishop could spit in my face and it would not stop me from practicing/believing in this gospel. Yeah, that bishop is a complete jerk and needs to start practicing what he preaches, but the BoM is still true. I admit that there are many unintended and sometimes harmful byproducts of Mormon culture. I think BYU-Idaho’s ban of shorts for students on campus is silly. I think the way we teach the Law of Chastity can be improved. The whole topic of gay marriage has been a learning process for the church, and it’s caused a lot of unintended heartache. Yet I still believe this is the restored church of Christ himself.

          Jenny, I’m super glad that you’re happy where you are. That’s awesome. Thank you so much for your civil response. And I know how presumptuous and naïve it sounds to claim “we have the true church, nah nahnah nahnah naah!” but I really do believe it. I’m not passing judgment on those who believe differently, I’m just stating what I believe and why I’m here. Feel free to respond to this comment, or feel free to find me on Facebook, shoot me a message, and we can continue this discussion there.

          • Jenna

            Thank you for your response, it is refreshing to hear that you have a genuine respect for those who are not mormon. I admire you for admitting that there are imperfections within the church, but that the BOM is what keeps you believing. I’m glad to see that there are some open minded mormons out there who can believe in something without putting others down. I actually didn’t have many problems with the biblical or scriptural aspects of mormonism. I never really doubted the Bible or BOM or the idea of heaven, and I still consider myself a religious person. To me, its the cultural problems that made me not want to go to church. It really had nothing to do with the doctrine or the scriptures. However, I don’t feel like I could go back to going to church every Sunday because I don’t feel like I can I can deal with the mormon community anymore. The problems that I have with the Mormon church are embedded into the culture and I don’t feel like theres a place for me anymore. It’s sad that I had a bad experience because I know a lot of mormons are good people. However, right now I’m content with the way my life is. That said, thank you for openly discussing my questions and not just shutting them down. I felt like I could never have real discussions with people at church, and I never talked about how I was feeling because I was scared. Maybe you can inspire others in your ward to talk about certain topics more openly so that people like me won’t feel so terrible. I’m glad mormonism works out for you and I hope it continues to bring you happiness

            Thank you for your response.

          • David Snell

            I totally recognize the cultural problems, and yes, there are MANY haha. And yes, it does get irritating. And it’s really sad when the very members of the church are what keeps others from attending. It even happened in The Book of Mormon…

            (Alma 4:10-“And thus ended the eighth year of the reign of the judges; and the wickedness of the church was a great stumbling-block to those who did not belong to the church; and thus the church began to fail in its progress.”)

            But (and I hope you don’t view this as me trying to shut you down or marginalize your concerns) I personally believe a solid understanding of gospel doctrine almost compels one to attend church services. That’s where the sacrament is (which the scriptures ask us to participate in); a temple recommend is partially dependent on church attendance, etc.

            I’m not saying you don’t have good reasons to not go to church, I’m sure they’re very compelling. And I totally understand where you’re coming from. Who wants to be somewhere where they don’t feel welcome and don’t feel the Spirit when that’s sort of the whole point? Makes sense to me. But maybe consider giving it another go in the future. Try a different ward altogether. If you believe in the doctrines of the gospel, try not to let some pain-in-the-rear members stop you from fully enjoying the blessings that come from living them. Easier said than done, I know.

            I tried to make that sound as not-preachy as possible, I’m not your dad–just some guy behind a keyboard. I apologize if I’ve overstepped my bounds. I’m glad you’re happy with the way life is right now and I wish you all the best moving forward!

  • vivistan

    Joseph Smith’s prophecies were not nuanced, as Christopher states. They spoke of dates and years. And no prophet of God, nor the words of Christ were ever in error.

    • Christopher D. Cunningham

      If you start from the conclusion that Joseph Smith’s prophecies have no nuance, no wonder you let yourself off the hook of examining them seriously.

  • Slymet

    Nice job. I would say under #5 last paragraph that the authority to baptize was restored through Joseph Smith upon receiving the authority from heavenly messengers. I would also mention a significant difference in the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy. Most sectarian Christianity does not place much importance on keeping the Sabbath day holy by engaging in the same activities done on other days of the week. I was a former member of a Protestant sect. I’m grateful that I aligned with the truth. I am thankful for those here and you who defend the faith. How do I know it’s true, through the power of the Holy Ghost. Once you receive that spirit to spirit communication, your life will never be the same. The restored gospel is true. Read the Book of Mormon and find out for yourself. (Moroni 10:4) If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God….(James 1:5) Wait and receive answers through prayer. Do not trust in man’s wisdom or the arm of flesh.

    • vivistan

      I just read Moroni 10 and this is what I found interesting. It simply splices together what the Bible already states, but then adds to it. What is alarming is that it seems to add extra requirements to one’s salvation. Jesus died for all of mankind’s sin. One only has to believe in that, repent of one’s sin, and his slate is wiped clean. Paul spoke about adding laws and extra requirements for salvation and added that when we add “laws” to one Christ already did, we’re treating his death on the cross as not sufficient enough. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him will not die, but will have everlasting life.” That’s it … As Christ said, “It is finished.”

      • Brian Hartman

        Interesting opinion. I believe James touched on this in chapter 2:

        20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

        21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

        22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

        23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

        24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

        25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

        26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

        How could you possibly read verse 26 and come to the conclusion you have?

        19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

        The devil believes in Jesus, does this mean he will be saved?

        • vivistan

          I just quoted what Christ spoke to Nicodemus. What greater authority is this? When he died on the cross he stated, “It is finished.” These words echo the finality of what he did. He paid the price for all of mankind, and he was able to do that because he was God. Who can add to that sacrifice?

          When the New Testament speaks about works it is stating that faith without works is a dead faith because the lack of works reveals an unchanged life or a spiritually dead heart. A true Christian, who has repented of his sins will have a transformed life and that faith in Christ is demonstrated by the works he or she does. How we live reveals what we believe and whether the faith we profess to have is a living faith.

          Again, in mentioning Abraham, you need to see the entire picture. In Romans 4:1-5, Paul lays out his case for justification by faith. He goes back to the very beginning, citing Abraham as the archetype:

          What shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? ‘And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.’ Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness.

          Paul makes two points here:
          FIRST, if Abraham is justified by works, if salvation is his personal accomplishment, dependent on his effort alone, then he can brag about it.

          SECOND, any system of works makes God indebted to the one who qualifies. Salvation is not a gift, but a wage paid to the one who earns it.

          Then Paul quotes Genesis 15:6 to prove that neither is the case: “Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.”

          It was Abraham’s BELIEF in God that counted him righteous, NOT HIS ACTION. His actions were proofs that he had total faith in God.

          • Mavin Swapp

            2 Peter 3:15-16; And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Men should also listen to the advice of Peter, the Head Apostle who was given the keys to the kingdom of God on the earth, thru whom by revelation Christ would guide His Church.

            What must we do to gain Eternal Life with God;
            We must have faith in Christ, repent and be baptized, follow the words of Christ and endure to the end, then hope that through the grace of God we shall have eternal life with God. The grace of God and the atonement of Christ is conditional on us keeping His commandments for us to be saved in the Kingdom of God.
            There are too many scriptures to list all, but here is a selection of a few;
            From the words of Christ;
            Matthew 4:4, 17; But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
            Matthew 5:16, 19, 48; Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
            Matthew 6:14-15; For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
            Matthew 7:13-14, 21; Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there at: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            Matthew 7:24, 26; Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
            Matthew 10:32, 38; Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
            Matthew 15:9; But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
            Matthew 16:24, 27; Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
            Matthew 18:3; And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            Matthew 18:21-22; Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
            Matthew 19:16-17; And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
            Matthew 22:40; On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
            Matthew 24:13; But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
            Matthew 25:1, 12-14, 29-30, 32, 45-46; Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
            Matthew 28:19-20; Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

  • Christopher D. Cunningham

    Are you serious?

    1. Incomplete quote.
    2. Not a prophecy
    3. Fulfilled
    4. Fulfilled
    5. Fulfilled
    6. Uses scriptural language similar to Jesus Christ. If this is a false prophecy you must also conclude Jesus gave a false prophecy in Matthew 24.
    7. Yet to be fulfilled, but only prophesied to happen in “last days.”

    And I’m sorry not providing these for you made my post suspicious. Since these concerns can be resolved with just a minute or two of Google searching, I really felt like the other concerns I wrote on were more important.

  • Christopher D. Cunningham

    Yes, this is the list that is often peddled by those who fall into the errors I described before.

    • Christopher D. Cunningham

      Think of it this way. Joseph Smith had one of the most documented lives of the 19th century. Hundreds if not thousands of people have spent their entire lives trying to destroy the legacy of Joseph Smith as a prophet.

      Yet despite these two facts, the best anyone has come up with is a list of about ten things Joseph ever said (I’ve seen lists with a few more mistakes then yours) that they could twist into something resembling a false prophecy. Only ten.

      And every single one of those is easily dismissed by anyone with rudimentary skills in scriptural analysis and Mormon history. Every. Single. One.

      And there’s not even that many that need to be explained. It’s not like explaining a prophecy is a sign of a false prophet. Most Old Testament prophets need to be contextualized, even the prophecies of Jesus himself could be criticized if you misunderstood the context or nuance.

      That a list so easily rebutted is the worst that lifetimes of critics can pull from the volumes of prophecies Joseph Smith gave should start to hint to you that perhaps there’s more to this modern day prophet than you’ve been led to believe.

      • vivistan

        Joseph Smith’s prophecies were not nuanced. They spoke of dates and years. And no prophet of God, nor the words of Christ were ever in error.

  • vivistan

    When speaking of Jesus, John, chapter 1 states:

    “The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—”

    In other words, John states that, THE WORLD WAS MADE THROUGH HIM. You have to do some verbal gymnastics to believe John meant something else. Who else, but God, created all things? And who else, but God can bestow the right to become children of God?

    There are many proofs of the deity of Christ both in the Old Testament and the New. Jesus himself claimed to possess the very attributes of God. For example, He claimed omniscience by telling Peter, “This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times” (Matthew 26:34); declared omnipotence by not only resurrecting Lazarus (John 11:43) but by raising Himself from the dead (see John 2:19); and professed omnipresence by promising He would be with His disciples “to the very end of the age” (Matthew 28:20). Not only so, but Jesus said to the paralytic in Luke 5:20, “Friend, your sins are forgiven”. In doing so, He claimed a prerogative reserved for God alone. In addition, when Thomas worshiped Jesus saying “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28), Jesus responded with commendation rather than condemnation.

    Can a man forgive sins? The educated pharisees crucified him because they understood his language and what that he was claiming to be God. This was the “blasphemy” they accused him of.

  • David Snell

    Sorry, what are you referring to?

  • Christopher D. Cunningham

    Vivistan, the error you continue to make is in insisting that Joseph Smith uttered false prophecies. I’ve seen these kinds of claims before and you are almost certainly a victim of one or more of these errors:
    -Believing an unreliable account about what Joseph said
    -Mistaking Joseph commanding or instructing someone to do something for a prophecy that they would do it
    -Refusing e to read as much nuance into Joseph’s prophecies as they do Old Testament prophets (for example prophecies that are clearly contingent on other’s behavior)
    -Being unaware of the fulfillment of the prophecy

  • Mavin Swapp

    There is no scripture that says God is not a man! Numbers 23:19 says that “God is not a man, that he should lie;” If I say that Kalpurush is not a man that can tell the truth, does that prove that you are not a man or just that you are not a man that is truthful?
    The scriptures are clear that Christ is God for His God and Father said so; Hebrews 1:8-9; “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” Here God the Father calls Jesus God and says that He, God the Father, is Christ’s God.

    • vivistan

      Mavin … I believe you are confused. When the Bible states, “God is not a man, that he should lie.” I think it’s very clear that “God is not a man”! In other words, because God isn’t a man … he cannot lie like a man does. Please read this again and understand.

      • Kalpurush


      • Mavin Swapp

        In the English language a period is used to end a sentence and there is no period after man in that verse of the Bible that you change to fit your belief. God is a Man and Christ is the “Son of Man” as Christ stated more that 80 times in the Bible. God is a Man that cannot lie, is what the English language require it to mean. Also when Christ said His witness of Him being the Son of God is true because of the law that “the witness of two men is true” so if God is not a Man then His witness is not true. John 8:17,18,40.
        Also Christ is a Man and He is also God and His Father is God and Christ’s Father is Christ’s God. See Hebrews 1:3, 9, James 3:9, Genesis 1:26-27, Isaiah 42:13.
        Acts 7:55-56; But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Three Beings, two Gods standing next to each other, while the third, God the Holy Ghost was in Stephen! Why does Steven call Christ the Son of Man? What Man is Christ the Son of? Luke 1:32, 35.
        The Man Christ Jesus is the God that created all things and He calls himself a Man in twelve places in the NT. Matt 11:19; Matt 11:27, Mark 13:34, Luke 10:22, John 3:13, John 6:46, John 8:17,18,40, John 15:13, John 15:24, and Rev 12:5,13.
        You say that Christ is God and yet belief that Christ is not a Man, are you saying Christ was in error to say that He is a Man and God? Revelation 1:8.

  • vivistan

    I have several Mormon friends whom I love dearly, so I say this not to offend, but because I fear for their souls. You state that you believe in your prophets; however, your prophets, mainly Joseph Smith, made several prophecies that turned out to be untrue or didn’t come to pass. “The Bible makes it clear that a prophet is someone who speaks on God’s behalf to the people and THERE IS NO INACCURACY IN HIS WORDS. When the prophets of old got their message from God, it was perfect, free from any error.” They spoke confidently knowing that what they said God would bring to pass. How then can you trust that Joseph Smith truly heard from God?

    In addition, I understand that you worship and believe that Christ came as the superior example for us here on earth … and that each Mormon will become a mini-God of his own. But that isn’t what the Bible clearly states. God claims to be, “THE ONE AND ONLY GOD.” The Bible states, “I am the Lord, and there is no other.” Also, “Was it not I, the Lord?
    And there is no other god besides me,
    a righteous God and a Savior;
    there is none besides me.

    In addition, Jesus claimed to be God. This is why the Jewish leaders wanted him crucified. Please consider all of this.

  • GeorgiaMormon

    Lest there be no misunderstanding …..
    I’m pretty sure when you say “”Jesus cannot be God” you mean he cannot be God the Father. (and I agree) But he IS God the Son, and equal in deity with his Father. Let’s don’t perpetuate misconceptions that some have when they say Mormons don’t believe Jesus is divine.

  • Leah W

    “Original sin” is not a biblical doctrine to be sure. But what is taught – both in direct teaching and in example- is the sinful nature of man. The “sin nature” is an essential Christian understanding because it points to the need for a Savior. Isaiah 53:6 talks about how all mankind has gone astray. Ecclesiastes 7:20 says that none are righteous. And there’s other passages as well.

    Some people think its unfair to say that mankind is “responsible” for the disobedience of Adam and Eve. But the doctrine is not aimed at making anyone responsible, rather, its aim is to demonstrate the long-term effect of sin.

    Let me ask a question: If a crack-addicted mother has a baby, and that baby is born addicted to crack and with many defects, is that baby being held “responsible” for the mothers sin? Or is the baby demonstrating the long-term effects of his mothers’ sin?

    Of course, the latter is obviously true. Does that mean the baby will forever get a free ride? No. There comes a point when everyone who develops beyond the “child stage” of understanding has to be responsible. God alone knows when that is and its different for everyone.

    Paul said it best:

    “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” 1 Corinthians 13:11.

    • deserwest

      Essentially your post proposes the doctrine that because there is a “sin nature”, people should be baptized as soon as they leave the “child phase”, and God alone knows when that is. The obviousl flaw in your reasoning is that if God alone knows when that is, it would therefore be not known to the person when they should be baptized. Whatever term you use, be it original sin or sin nature, you are clearly still somewhat stuck in the concept that children are sinners enjoying a deferment, or what you call a free ride, of the penalty for sin. In reality, LDS parents do teach their children to repent of their transgressions in keeping of the idea that repentance always precedes baptism. Jesus never forbade that children would come to him, but this is not to say he preached the doctrine of a “free ride” to them. Perhaps in your understanding, you see all black and white, where in reality there is simply time allowed to grow and understand the temptations from the adversary common to all humans. There is no original sin, nor sin nature, none of us are compelled by nature to sin. Your connecting of 1 Corinthians 13:11 to the sin nature, implicates children as being nothing more than “dreamers” who exists illegally but bear no responsibility. I doubt this is how Christ looks upon children.

    • Wade Stubblefield

      As I understand it with some religions, they teach that because Adam and Eve fell, their children are held accountable, such to the point that if they aren’t baptized before they die, even as an infant, they go to pergatory, an everlasting place of seperation from God.

      Admittedly, I can see how that can be broken up into two different and not directly connected subjects, the need for baptism and original sin, at least in the minds of those who believe it, so I must confess that I do not truly understand those other religions’ grasp on the subjects.

  • John Cline

    It’s not that Christians reject the idea of prophets or prophecy, it’s that they reject the idea of Old Testament-style prophets or “prophets like unto Moses.” The Bible describes three types of prophets.

    1. Old Testament prophets who warned of God’s coming wrath and testified of the coming Messiah.
    2. Administrative prophets.
    3. People who possess the spiritual gift of prophecy.

    You need to know the difference. Mormonism simply takes all three categories, squishes them into one category, claims to posses Prophets, and uses this claim to support its own authority.

    Of the first type, those prophets did not lead a church. They often acted outside of the official authority of Judaism to warn the religious leaders that they were in error.

    Of the second type, there are only two: Moses and Jesus. Through Moses came the law. Through Christ came grace and truth. What more is there? Joseph Smith said there was more, and actually wrote himself into scripture as a “prophet like unto Moses.” This is blasphemy. Jesus is the only “prophet like unto Moses.”

    Of the third type – this is the only sense in which the idea of a prophet shows up in the Christian era.

    You present a concept of Prophets that does not reflect what the Bible actually teaches about Prophets. You then say that Mormonism has prophets. You then say Christians don’t believe in prophets. You do not understand what you are speaking of.

    As for God speaking to more than Israel – Christians actually believe that God has made known to all human beings the essential information about his nature. Romans 1:19-21.

    About eternal family, Mormons are the only group I know of that actually actively preach that families CAN’T be together for ever, unless…

    If there is a Christian sect that teaches we won’t be with our loved ones in Heaven, I have never encountered it. Except as a Mormon. The Mormon faith of my childhood told me that I can’t be with my family forever unless I am a Mormon who achieves exaltation.

    Heaven and Hell. Mormons believe that there is Exaltation, Salvation, Damnation. In D&C 76, it states that all people will achieve at least salvation, except sons of perdition. But in D&C 132, it teaches that everything EXCEPT exaltation is damnation. Only in Mormonism is salvation also called damnation. Mormonism has, therefore, only exaltation or damnation. We are back to the old Heaven and Hell dichotomy.

  • Riches James

    2nephi 31:5-8 teaches clearly the reason for Christ Baptism

  • GarthDial

    In point #5, I believe the picture is reversed.

  • beagal

    The ability to choose was so central to Heavenly Father’s plans, that He was willing for 1/3 of His spirit children to follow Satan. How sad for Him as a Father!

    • Elaine Williams

      God wil never take away our agency the agency to choose good or to choose evil. but if we choose evil there are consequences for doing so that is that they cut themselves off from the ability to enjoy the lasting happiness, and joy that those who live according to Gods commandments, enjoy.

  • Junebug78

    Sins are forgiven after true repentance. To be baptized you should repent of your sins first and seek forgiveness.

    • David Snell

      Totally agree, Junebug78.

  • Junebug78

    If you think Jesus could be baptized for others, then do you think I could be baptized for my brother who died without the chance to be baptized?

    • GarthDial

      Yes.If you were LDS and a member in good standing, you could go to the LDS Temple and be baptized for your brother. In fact, most of the ordinances done in the LDS Temples are for those who have passed on without having the opportunity in this life.

    • fxlr1994

      Yes. We do baptisms for the dead in our temples. It is by proxy that we do this. It is up to your brother to accept this ordinance on the other side of the vail. We believe that all who were here in a mortal body and have died are on the other side of the vail (vail being the line between the mortal world and the spirit world). If they haven’t accepted Christ as the savior in the mortal world they have one last chance before the final judgement to do so in the spirit world. A person that is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that is worthy to attend the temple may do this baptism by proxy (on their behave).

  • Annette

    The scriptures answer this question. Jesus was baptized by John “to fulfil all righteousness.” (See Matthew 3:13-15 KJV)

    • Jamie123

      But what does “fulfill all righteousness” actually mean? Statements of that sort do need a bit of unpacking.

  • Joe

    Its funny that There are so many “Christian” Churches all with different beliefs about Christ. Yet the LDS faith can be excluded as “Christians” for their differences… I don’t get that.

    • John Cline

      Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Congregationalists, Baptists, Orthodox Christians, etc – they all agree about Christ: his nature, his relationship with the Father, etc. There isn’t nearly as much disagreement within Christianity about the nature of God and Christ as you were led to believe. Mormonism, however, offers doctrines about the Father and the Son that are not in alignment with the shared beliefs of all major Christian denominations.

      If an entire Stake of Zion began teaching that families can’t be together forever, would you be comfortable if the members of that Stake insisted that they were still Mormons even though they had fundamentally different beliefs than the rest of Mormonism?

      • Ganondox

        None of those believes you call fundamental are actually fundamental though, they were set as Orthodox centuries after Christ.

  • Rob Sanders

    Only not, number 1, they believe in a Prophet that does not prophesy, does not have visions, has not received a single revelation, has not realized any miracle and does not have the power of God like all previous Prophets, maybe Joseph Smith could be considered a Prophet because he claimed to be a Prophet, provided evidence of having received revelations, visions etc.. he did prophesy things although none of his prophecies has come true yet, so in the Mormon church a Prophet is more a title than anything else. Number 2 is correct, if God spoke to some people in a certain time and place then it is fair to assume that he must have done the same in different times and places. Number 3 is correct but the Mormon church does not own a franchise over the eternity, families are part of God’s family and all those who follow God or do good will live with God forever regardless of what brand of religion they subscribed to in mortality, God is not limited to institutions, Christ is the only keeper of the gate as far as I know. 4 is correct but nobody knows for sure what is out there, all options are speculations based on a few verses in scriptures and again a religion cannot control people’s lives based on that. 5 is correct but I haven’t seen any Mormon being baptized in a river although a few have, if that means by submersion then many other religions do that as well, they claim to be the only one with authority but that is not the case, scriptures indicate that the power to baptize comes directly from God via the Holy Ghost and not through some line of authority, if small group of people somewhere in a remote island be willing to follow God and covenant with him, they can pray to God and ask for the power of God to baptize, this happened many times in the scriptures whether there was a church available or not. Many current Mormons need to get rid of false traditions that have slowly infiltrated in their religion over the years.

    • Alex Zg

      “they believe in a Prophet that does not prophesy” Sorry, how did you come to this conclusion? Each and every modern prophet has received revelation. Every six months the Church of Jesus Christ of ladder day saints (Mormons) holds general conference. Over two days the prophet, 12 apostles, and other church authority give talks that are broadcast across the world. The prophet takes this talk to give guidance and counsel for church members today. He shares revelation, as he is able to receive divine revelation. Each talk the prophet shares is the result of revelation.

      If you’re looking for more scriptural revelation there are many examples of divinely inspired policy changes and proclamations. Take a look at, “The Family: A Proclamation To The World” https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation?lang=eng&old=true

      Each prophet holds the priesthood, the power of God. Prophets have talked about visionary experiences. Modern prophets have been involved in miracles, you need only listen to some of their talks. Each of your counterpoints shows an extreme lack of knowledge or understanding of the matter. If you are really interested in these things go read talks, articles, or even scriptures from the standard works. All of these things can be found at LDS.org

      • Rob Sanders

        And the world tunes in to listen to them quoting each other every six months or telling some “feel good stories” that every other religious leaders tell including Joel Osteen among others. It seems that you don’t know what the word revelation means. Each real Prophet does hold the power of the Priesthood but not just any one with the title of a Prophet, I would recommend that you study the scriptures to find out more about the role and works of a true Prophet. I am well familiar with their talks and as I said all other religious impostors say the same thing, they are paid and receive a lot of benefits such as homes, cars, church credit cards, free tuition for their kids, personal driver etc… to say those things and according to the Book of Mormon that constitutes priestcraft. You say they are “involved in miracles” I would like to know more about that because miracles can happen to any believer regardless of title or position but LDS leaders haven’t provided any evidence of Bible or Book of Mormon types of miracles. Now if finding a $5 dollar bill in one of your old pants can be considered a miracle then the definition of miracle has changed a lot since Jesus walked on earth.

        • cavpilot67

          I am curious. Shouldn’t the Bible be much thicker? We have more than 4,000 years of prophets speaking in the Bible, and some of them, who are recognized as prophets, barely fill a few verses. By contrast, Mormons have volumes of speeches and “prophecies” of modern prophets over the course of less than 200 years. You also might want to take another look at Smith’s prophecies as well as those that came after him. Many have been fulfilled.
          what is the chance that something that an ancient prophet said was left out of the Bible….because a medieval warlord’s hired priests were the ones that decided what would and would not be included in the book used to consolidate his power?

          • Rob Sanders

            The Book of Mormon has prophecies that confirms that many precious things were taken out or omitted from the Bible. Nephi’s visions say that the Gentiles coming to the promised land (America) carrying a book that contained the records of the Jews and the teachings of God but then it went through many changes due to corruption. God will restore these teachings through another mighty Prophet in the last days that will come among the House of Israel before the second coming, the Book of Mormon also has sealed parts that will also be revealed as well as other ancient records from the lost tribes of Israel.

        • Alisha Ulu-Saufoi

          For your information all LDS church leaders accept their callings voluntarily we do not get paid at all. We all have our own jobs to support our families. Unlike many other faiths that I respect are paid from their congregations which their is nothing wrong with that however we serve without pay. Thank you very much!

    • vivistan

      Rob, although I understand some of what you’re stating, I disagree when you sat that “all those who follow God or do good will live with God forever regardless of what brand of religion they subscribed to in mortality.” Doing “good will” does not save anyone, nor does it ensure a place in heaven. The Bible is very clear that only a belief that Christ died for one’s sin and rose again, and repenting of ones sin will get into heaven. The Bible is very clear that “everyone has sinned and come short…” In other words, you cannot work your way into heaven. Nothing will be good enough. It’s faith alone in Christ as your savior. Every other work is merely a demonstration that you are a true child of God and love him.

      • Rob Sanders

        I believe you are right when it comes to faith in Christ only but the Bible does not say at what point in time a person needs to accept Jesus, I think it can be in this life or after this life. It would be impossible for someone who was born Muslim or never had the opportunity to even hear about Jesus, to accept him. There must be a time after death and before the final judgment for people to learn without cultural influence the true gospel of Jesus Christ and accept or reject it after they have a clear knowledge of what is presented to them. God cannot condemn someone to eternal damnation unless he provides the means for them to make a conscious choice. I agree that we cannot save ourselves no matter how good we can be, it is through Christ’s grace that we are saved.

  • EliOli

    Mormonism is not Christianity. Mormonism teaches a different Jesus and a different gospel, than the bible teaches.

    • Gail Wasden

      How many Jesuses are there? Only one as far as we are concerned. He volunteered to come to earth to perform an atonement for our sins so that if we believe in Him and repent of our sins, He will cleanse them from us so that we can continue to follow His example and eventually be prepared to live in his presence. Much of what we learn about Christ and His life comes from our study of the Bible but we have additional scriptures and the words of living prophets to give us guidance.

      • John Cline

        There is only one Jesus, but there are different teachings about this one Jesus. Jehovahs’ Witnesses teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Muslims teach that Jesus was only a prophet, not the Son of God. Do they believe in the same Jesus as you?

        Christians and Mormons have different ideas about Jesus. You may say you believe in the same Jesus as Christians, but Christians want to make it clear that the Jesus we believe in is not the brother of Satan, was not the spiritual offspring of God the Father and his eternal wife, and fulfilled the sacrifice of the Atonement through the blood of the cross, not the blood of Gethsemane.

        So..see…..it is almost like Christians and Mormons worship a different Jesus.

        • David Snell

          I feel like the discussion here has turned more to a matter of opinions. From my perspective, if you believe in the divinity of Christ, you fall under my definition of Christianity. Catholics, Evangelicals, Baptists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, etc. You, of course, are free to have your own opinions, though.

          That said, (and I know resorting to the dictionary is sort of lame), Webster defines “Christian” as: “One who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.” Take it for what it’s worth.

          • John Cline

            What does “divinity” mean? When one says talks of the divinity of Christ, what exactly are they talking about? How is Christ divine? Did he progress to acquire his divinity, or was he divine from all eternity to all eternity?

            Even according to Mormon doctrine it is not too clear how exactly Christ is divine. In order for you or me (according to Mormonism) to become like God, we first need to acquire a physical body. We are spiritual children of Father in Heaven, just like Jesus. He is our literal spirit brother. He came into being like all of us. And in order to become like God, so we are taught, we all need a physical body first.

            But the Book of Mormon says that God became flesh, so Christ was God even prior to acquiring his body. Did he get an exception to the rule? How exactly is Christ divine according to Mormonism?

            Jeffrey Holland teaches that Jesus came to earth also to work out his own salvation! So, he was a God prior to achieving his own salvation? He was an “unsaved God” in the pre-existence?

            Again…how exactly is Christ divine according to Mormonism?

  • Phillip Carpenter

    we believe that man was cast out of the garden of Eden through transgression, and that because of Christ’s atonement we can return to God’s presence. We do not believe that we will be punished for Adam’s transgression, but that we will be accountable for our own sin. Simply put pretty much all Mormons agree that salvation is a four part process: not in any order, we must have faith. There are many scriptures that show that without faith we can’t make it. Next as taught by the Apostle James in James 2:14-26 faith without works is dead. He even said that Lucifer believes and of course that is not going to do him any good. Next is the principle of love.
    Paul taught beautifully in the 13th chapter of 1st Corrinthians that you could have faith to move mountains but that without love you are nothing. He went on to say that you could preform the ultimate work and die for your faith but if you didn’t have love it was worthless. We see that today how jehadists are willing to die for their faith but there is no selfless love there. Lastly and most important, when we have faith, and that faith is manifested by service, and we have developed love for all of Father’s children, then the blood of Christ will do what we can’t do and wash away our sins.

    James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

    15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

    16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

    17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

    23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

    24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

    25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

  • Deborah Ann Crow

    Mormons do not believe in the Trinity the way other churches do. We do not believe God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are all the same personage. We believe all three are their own personage but AGREE and have the same goals and objectives as one.

  • J. David Taylor

    In the Dominican Republic where I served my mission, most folks believed in prophets/prophecy, baptism by immersion, forever families, among other things. Mormonism is one of the few religions that lays exclusive claim to perpetual family relationships. So this article isn’t quite accurate. It reinforces the stereotype that Mormons don’t know about other religions or about the people in them, and that’s disappointing.

    • David Snell

      There are thousands and thousands of forms of Christianity throughout the world. This article speaks of Christianity in general, not the few specific sects that may agree with some of our doctrines. I was simply trying to hit the biggest chunk of the Christian audience as possible. For example, Catholicism has about 1.2 billion members worldwide, and they definitely do not require baptism by immersion or believe in kingdoms of glory, etc.

      Additionally, it’s common to find people who say they agree on these doctrines (because they ring true for many people), but less common to find actual statements of belief from Christian denominations.

      However, you’re right. There are probably Christian sects out there that do agree with some items on this list. I hope the DR, and you, will forgive my ignorance.

  • Jodi Walker

    You state that ” to many Christians agree it takes your own work, in this case baptism, to reach God, but there is no basis for this in the Bible. Jesus died for our sins so that we might have ETERNAL LIFE (John 3:16). If we are to receive salvation, it is vital that we understand what is required in order to receive this great gift. We must earn Salvation it is not a free gift, it is not unconditional. See Acts 2:38 Where Peter gave instructions to thousands saying First we need to “REPENT (ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS)….. and the second “be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit”

    Peter never once said, “Just sit there and whisper to yourself. ‘Jesus, I accept you into my heart.’ ” No! Peter taught that receiving salvation required ACTION on the part of those wanting it. How could it be plainer? Repentance and baptism are essential requirements for salvation.

  • David Blanton

    Great post! Honest. Truthfull. Biblical.

  • Malleeman

    For example, if there are 3 layers of heaven you call “kingdoms of glory” why is there NO reference to this in the Bible?
    There is reference to this in 1 Corinthians Ch15:40 – 41

    40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

    41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

  • Alexis Thomas

    Christianity by definition is the belief in God (Heavenly Father) sent his son Jesus Christ to make it possible to live with God again or go to heaven members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe in that and therefore are Christian. The doctrines you speak of are different because of what was lost in translation because of it being dummied down to make people happy today so you cannot say you are an educated person in religious matters and say that Mormons are not Christian because we are.

    • Mark Sahlberg

      In Revelation 22:13 Jesus proclaims himself to be the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. In other words He proclaims himself to be God. The definition of one who is a Christian is one who believes in Jesus Christ and follows His teachings. The Morman Jesus was the brother of Lucifer and the offspring of Elohim and his wife. That is not scriptural based on what Jesus says in Revelation. Therefore, the Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible and Mormons are not Christians.

      • Rob Sanders

        Lucifer was an angel of light in the presence of God according to the Bible, that implies that he lived in heaven with God and had some advanced intelligence as well as a position of authority, he rebelled against God and became a perdition and the host of heaven cried over his loss, there is ample evidence that he was a spiritual son of God just like the rest of us. To finalize, there is no “Mormon Jesus” There is only one Jesus I don’t know where you got this ridiculous idea and by definition anyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ and his core teachings can be considered Christian regardless of what brand of religion they are part of.

      • PatriotGranny

        Did Jesus pray to himself? Whose voice said “This is My Son in whom I’m well pleased” when he was baptized? Who was Jesus talking to when he was dying on the cross? It doesn’t even make sense to believe Jesus and Heavenly Father (aka God) are the same personage.

  • Alexis Thomas

    yes, not all Christian faiths believe the same Mormons believe that Christ was killed, buried, and resurrected so we can do the same we also believe that baptism is a remission of sins hence the being fully emersed in water the symbolism goes hand in hand we are being born again so we must be buried and born again and when baptized we must be fully emersed in water as if being in our mother’s womb so all of our sins are washed away and we covenant with our father in heaven to obey all of his commandments

  • Peggy Bogar

    Beautifully written and put simply.

  • David Snell

    Interesting perspective, Jamie123. I respectfully disagree and lend more credibility to The Book of Mormon than I do to Tim Stafford, but then again, I’m biased. Great thought, though. Have a great day.

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  • David Snell

    Fantastic questions, seeking_justice. I’d love to take the time to address them each personally to you here, but instead I’d strongly encourage you to ask them here: https://www.mormon.org/chat.

    • seeking_justice

      Okay, I will, but before I do, I would like to ask you something. Personally, do you ever worry that you aren’t good enough to make it to heaven?

      • David Snell

        Another fantastic question. I recognize that it is only through the grace of Christ that heaven is even an option for me. If it weren’t for His Atonement there would be absolutely nothing I could do to “earn” my way into heaven. That said, as taught in James 2:26, “grace without works is dead.” So, while I recognize the supernal importance of grace and mercy, I also recognize that they must be supported by essential works that we call ordinances in order to reach the highest kingdom (or level) of heaven. For example, baptism.

        I know we disagree on the subject of baptism as a requirement to enter heaven, but just so you’re aware of where our interpretation comes from, here are some references:

        John 3:5: “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

        Mark 16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved,” and plenty others.

        I recognize that you, no doubt, interpret these scriptures differently than we do, which is fine. The wide variety of biblical interpretations is one reason why we love The Book of Mormon so much, as it acts as a second source to support or dispel so many different interpretations.

        But in answer to your question, yes, sometimes I worry about that (whether or not I should). I worry that my faith isn’t strong enough. I worry that I haven’t satisfactorily taken upon myself the image of Christ. I’m a worrier. But I know that through His grace and by utilizing His redeeming Atonement to repent and to continually progress, I’ll be OK. I hope that answers your question. Thank you for being civil.

    • Bobby H

      You said you’d love to take the time to address the question but then you direct him to a chat page. Talk about passing the buck! Either you don’t know the answer or you do.

      • David Snell

        Dear Bobby,

        “Either you don’t know the answer or you do.” … I do. I’ve been striving to live this stuff for 17 years, two of which I spent teaching it more than full-time in a foreign language as a missionary. I’ve dealt with these questions hundreds of times. The sad reality is that discussions like these in public comments forums rarely change peoples’ paradigms and often just cause contention and defensiveness. A private conversation with a missionary will be much more sincere and effective.

        So, is it passing the buck? If that’s the way you’d like to look at it, sure. Is it because the questions are just too darn hard for me? No.

        If you’d like the answers to those questions, I suggest you take it up with mormon.org/chat, search keywords on lds.org, or find me on Facebook and we can have a private conversation which I’m sure wouldn’t be very productive as you’ve evidently taken issue with me and lend little credibility to what I say.

      • cavpilot67

        If you were directed to read a particular passage in your Bible to find the answer….wouldn’t that be passing the buck also? David Snell never claimed to be a prophet or spokesman with a direct line to God. So I am not sure how telling you were to find the information is “passing the buck”

  • David Snell

    I would love to hear that Mormons and Catholics agree on the matter of eternal marriage. Can you provide an official statement from the Catholic Church that marriage continues for eternity? I’d love to have the reference, or is it just an implied belief?

    • ljscole

      You are both, partially right. The Catholic Church believes that we will ALL be united in Christ after death. Me, my husband, my children, my neighbor… all of us who die free of mortal sin. We are not separated out by kingdoms or degrees of glory. We do not have to be married to be in God’s presence. We do not end up in Heaven A without our family while some of our family is in Heaven B… together. We believe that marriage helps to perfect us toward’s sainthood; to rear children to become disciples of Jesus; and to teach us what it means to be made in the image of God (meaning free will, loving, stewards of creation). I studied LDS. I’ve met with missionaries on and off for years. I’ve been to ward meetings. I’ve gotten to know some amazing people. I’ve read the entire Book of Mormon, much of the Doctrine and Covenants and all of the Pearl of Great Price. I’ve prayed. LDS cannot answer all my questions. Catholicism can. Were that not the case… ? But I’m Catholic.

      • Rob Sanders

        That is interesting, I was raised Catholic and converted to Mormonism many years ago, I find it that our Doctrines are much more alike than different. I recently attended a Catholic Mass with my mother when she visited me and I was astonished at how much truth I heard during the Mass, for a moment I thought that the Priest was citing the Book of Mormon teachings. It was a very uplifting experience. I like that in Mormonism more emphasis is given to knowledge and that in Catholicism the focus tends to be on worshiping and praising God.

        • David Snell

          We all have a lot we can learn from each other! I attended a Scientologist service a while back and found it fascinating. I don’t subscribe to all of their beliefs (same with Catholicism, Islam, etc.) but I appreciate the truth they have to offer.

  • gwen rothberg

    Pretty sure this is why evangelicals in the Midwest freak out about LDS folks claiming that they’re Christian. If you ask one, they’ll tell you – no, they don’t consider the LDS to be Christian, but as soon as they’re certain that they are voting with their dominionist block, they’ll leave you alone. They do the same thing to conservative Jews, but tolerate Jews more generally because ‘Israel’ and their dreams of end times.

    • RazzleD

      Be careful when you generalize evangelicals. My evangelical friends have never questioned my Christianity and they know I am LDS. My friends in Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Tennessee, and Florida would never say anything ill about the LDS to me. And they feel perfectly comforatable discussing their faith with me. I love my fellow Christians and I know they love me too.

      • deserwest

        All of the creeds are wrong. How can we not generalize, when the generalizations are true?

        • tammy

          That is what they say about us. Generalizations never cover everyone, they just do them an injustice

      • gwen rothberg

        I’m sure they do, to your face. My experience of the rejection of Mormonism as a ‘Christian’ faith in Indiana included a coordinated intervention in our break room by some evangelicals towards an LDS nurse who worked with us. She was reduced to tears over it but refused to call HR. I’ve had Christian mom’s pull me aside at PTO meetings to ‘warn’ me about the LDS kindergarten teacher, and most evangelicals don’t even blink. Odd; they never came at me, but then – evangelicals need us to fulfill their Jesus narrative.

        • Franklin Warner

          Sister Rothberg, I fully understand your angst concerning evangelicals overreacting when dealing with Mormons. I know because I used to be one of those overreacting Evangelicals (I joined the LDS church about 18 months ago). But as Vivistan says below, most do it out of love (although trolls do abound). I know that I did. I will also admit that I did it rather poorly.

          The only thing that I can recommend is let your life be your witness. If you are living a Godly life, as members of my local ward did, eventually they will come around, because doctrine aside, the one thing they will not be able to argue against is the fact that you carry the fruits of the spirit with you in abundance.

          Don’t argue with those who question your faith with Christ. Let them have their say and then simply explain what and why the LDS church believes in certain principals and leave it at that. If they are fair minded then they will see that a reasonable person can have a different interpretation than they have. If not…. Well, then use the blessed phrase of, “Well, I guess we will have to just disagree.”

    • vivistan

      We don’t “freak out” …we fear for you out of love. You’ve added to the Holy Scriptures and you are following “prophets” (Joseph Smith, et. al.) that clearly prophesied certain events that turned out to be either untrue, or never came to pass. How is it, then, that you can predicate your religious beliefs on such a man? The Bible is very clear that true prophets never make mistakes. So it’s one thing to dismiss someone who claims to have a prophecy that turns out to be untrue. It’s another thing, and a very grievous mistake, to follow his teachings when the Bible has everything necessary for your salvation.

      • Mavin Swapp

        vivistan, if you think that the prophets of the Bible did not make mistakes I fear that you have not read the bible. And if the Bible has everything necessary for salvation, where did you get the Bible and why do you believe that God has lost His power to speak to men or does God think we are good enough that we no longer need His advice or words?

        • vivistan

          Which prophecy spoken by a prophet of God was ever in error? And the Bible makes it very clear that anyone who claims to speak for God, but then is found to be in error, is definitely no a prophet.

      • sas

        We believe God has added to his own scripture because more was still needed. For clarification on your statement, though, can you cite why you believe we have added to scripture? I’d like to know exactly what to respond to without just assuming I know where you’re coming from.

      • gwen rothberg

        Christians added to the Tanakh long before Mormons did it – if that’s your criteria… Believe what you will but the overt earnestness of attempting to convert anyone and everyone in all places at all times is wearing thin. There is a reason that ‘none’ is the fastest growing affiliation. We have information available at our fingertips at the speed of fiber optics making all this mythology entertaining for its story value, but annoying as a model for judgmental unkindness, exclusion, or punishment. They’re doing that in the middle east with poor results. These superstitions serve a place in historical context, but as a model for policy or to create a societal norm, the time has past. We’re no longer interested in forced birth, the marriage of underage girls, or gay teen suicide. How does your mutual scripture say it? By your works, we know you. Not. Interested. As to the Mormons, when you get yourselves figured out, then maybe there is some hope for you as a charitable organization, but as the world watches while Cliven Bundy can steal $1million dollars and destroy tribal lands while maintaining a temple recommend, while Kate Kelly gets the boot for asking a question about her role in her church – it’s just obvious that this mega church is going to continue to thrash around in moral and ethical disarray. Not too much different than that evangelical in Texas who would not open his doors to help the needy. Morality is a thing – if you don’t have any, then by all means, start a church.

  • momsaid

    I love to remember when the missionaries came to our house for the first time. One of my aunts had asked if Mom and Dad would let them come and teach us. I was 11 yrs old, with full-on ADD brain and lots of curiosity, and this was intriguing.

    I had wondered why my aunt joined the Church: she smoked and drank coffee for years, then just gave them up completely. This must be pretty important, for her to change her habits. I listened, not sure about Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon, until they taught the Plan of Salvation. Premortal, Earthly, and Eternal Life were mapped out on a flannel board, and they made sense. I’d had a dream when I was very young (abt 4), where I was watching people through a glass window. It was like a parade of History, with folks dressed in and surrounded by ancient things. As I watched them, a voice spoke and said, “It’s not your turn yet. You have to wait.”, and I looked up to my left and saw a man in a white suit. I’d never told anyone about the dream. I knew that this religion had a teaching that no others did, and that it was true. Through all the years of learning, trying, failing, working to do better, and finding my way, that experience reminded me why it’s worth it. It’s true…and that’s all that matters.

    • Mary

      I believe there is someone who takes us by the hand to lead us in the right direction.