• Announcements

    • Heather

      Mormon Hub Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting   04/17/08

        Any views expressed on Mormon Hub are independent of and do not represent the views of Mormon Hub, More Good Foundation, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Site Rules 1. Do not post, upload, or otherwise submit anything to the site that is derogatory towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings, or its leaders. Anti-LDS Propaganda will not be tolerated anywhere. 2. Please be conscious of the fact that although Mormon Hub is aimed towards an LDS audience, that the membership of this site consists of friends from an array of different backgrounds, beliefs, and cultures. Please be respectful and courteous to all, and know that everyone who is willing to follow the Rules and Terms of Mormon Hub are welcome to participate and be a member of Mormon Hub. Keep in mind that anything posted, uploaded, or otherwise displayed on the site should be understandable to friends of other faiths as well as to members. Please define any LDS vocabulary that friends of other faiths may not understand (i.e. Mutual, Relief Society, and Deacon.) 3. Personal attacks, name calling, flaming, and judgments against other members will not be tolerated. 4. No bickering and nit-picking toward others. Realize that sometimes it is very difficult to be able to express how one feels through written words. Please be courteous and ask for a further explanation, rather then trying to attack and find holes in someone else's post. 5. No cursing or crude language. Any swearing, including filter skipping, will result in an automatic one week suspension. 6. Posting issues you have with a moderator or administrator anywhere on the site will not be allowed. Please follow the chain of authority if you have any concerns. Any such posts will be removed and the poster will be subject to the consequences of breaking the rules. List of site moderators Course of action that should be taken if you have a concern: - Send a message directly to the moderator you have a concern about. If you are unable to work out the problem then, - Send a message to the head moderators. - If after you have approached both avenues, you may then send a message to Heather; however know that Heather is very unlikely to over rule anything that has been sanctioned by the moderators and head moderators. 7. Multiple accounts are not allowed and will result in all accounts being banned from the site. 8. Please do not share any "true" or "faith promoting" stories, unless you can verify the source. 9. Do not post any copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you. 10. Bigoted/racial/ethnic comments will not be tolerated. Political Neutrality Policy More Good Foundation, as a nonprofit foundation, must remain neutral with respect to partisan politics and candidate campaigns for public office. The foundation encourages its members and staff to be informed about political issues and to be engaged in civic life; however, it does not endorse or oppose any political parties, candidates, or platforms. Mormon Hub will allow political discussion, also long as all posts remain neutral with respect to partisan politics and candidate campaigns for public office. You may not use the site to show support, endorse, oppose or sanction any candidate. In addition, all posts must be respectful and sensitive to readers of all political beliefs and backgrounds. Any post that violates any of the above conditions will be dealt with according to the consequences of breaking the rules. As a non-profit organization, 501©3, we are governed by legal constraints relative to writing, blogging, or otherwise endorsing any candidate running for political office. The law states, in effect, that no one acting on behalf of the nonprofit can intervene directly or indirectly in the election process by endorsing a political candidate. Any post that speaks favorably about one candidate, even in a religious context, can be construed as indirect intervention in the election process. While journalists are presently exempt from this provision, bloggers and forum-members are not. 12. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this site to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. 13. You will not use this site to solicit the sale of any product, service or website. You will not use this site to promote a money making venture or contest. If appropriate, you may post a link to your personal website or to your business on your profile, in your forum signature, and you make create one post in the web link section of the forum. Do not post any link or discuss any business, service, or website that violates any rule of Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub is not responsible for the content of any site linked on Mormon Hub. Consequences to these rules could result in the following, and are determined on a case by case basis. Anything that an Administrator or Moderator determines is more than just an infraction of the rules, will result in immediate banning from the site and/or legal action: First infraction will result in a warning and a message from a moderator on what rule was broken. Second infraction will result in a one week suspension followed by a two week moderator post approval Third infraction will result in banned from the site for good. Any topic, message, video, music, image, or other upload or submission to the site that breaks any rules will be deleted. Please remember that we are not responsible for anything posted or uploaded. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message or upload. We are not responsible for the contents of any message, video, image, post or upload. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Mormon Hub , More Good Foundation, or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact the Administration immediately by Private Message, Email, or Report a Post. We will make every effort to remove objectionable messages and uploads within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. Mormon Hub Terms of Use Agreement January 8, 2008 Mormon Hub is a social networking service that allows Members to create unique personal profiles online in order to find and communicate with old and new friends. Mormon Hub refers to "Mormon Hub or its proprietors." The services offered by Mormon Hub ("Mormon Hub" or "we") include the Mormon Hub website (the "Mormon Hub Website"), the Mormon Hub Internet messaging service, and any other features, content, or applications offered from time to time by Mormon Hub in connection with the Mormon Hub Website (collectively, the "Mormon Hub Services"). The Mormon Hub Services are hosted in the U.S. This Terms of Use Agreement ("Agreement") sets forth the legally binding terms for your use of the Mormon Hub Services. By using the Mormon Hub Services, you agree to be bound by this Agreement, whether you are a "Visitor" (which means that you simply browse the Mormon Hub Website) or you are a "Member" (which means that you have registered with Mormon Hub). The term "User" refers to a Visitor or a Member. You are only authorized to use the Mormon Hub Services (regardless of whether your access or use is intended) if you agree to abide by all applicable laws and to this Agreement. Please read this Agreement carefully and save it. If you do not agree with it, you should leave the Mormon Hub Website and discontinue use of the Mormon Hub Services immediately. If you wish to become a Member, communicate with other Members and make use of the Mormon Hub Services, you must read this Agreement and indicate your acceptance during the Registration process. This Agreement includes Mormon Hub's policy for acceptable use of the Mormon Hub Services and Content posted on the Mormon Hub Website, your rights, obligations and restrictions regarding your use of the Mormon Hub Services and Mormon Hub's Privacy Policy. In order to participate in certain Mormon Hub Services, you may be notified that you are required to download software or content and/or agree to additional terms and conditions. Unless otherwise provided by the additional terms and conditions applicable to the Mormon Hub Services in which you choose to participate, those additional terms are hereby incorporated into this Agreement.  Mormon Hub may modify this Agreement from time to time and such modification shall be effective upon posting by Mormon Hub on the Mormon Hub Website. You agree to be bound to any changes to this Agreement when you use the Mormon Hub Services after any such modification is posted. It is therefore important that you review this Agreement regularly to ensure you are updated as to any changes. Please choose carefully the information you post on Mormon Hub and that you provide to other Users. You may NOT include any of the following information anywhere on Mormon Hub, including private messages: telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, and any photographs containing nudity, or obscene, lewd, excessively violent, harassing, sexually explicit or otherwise objectionable subject matter. Email addresses should NEVER be posted to the general public. Despite this prohibition, information provided by other Mormon Hub Members (for instance, in their Profile) may contain inaccurate, inappropriate, offensive or sexually explicit material, products or services, and Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility or liability for this material. If you become aware of misuse of the Mormon Hub Services by any person, please contact Mormon Hub or click on the "Report Inappropriate Content" link at the bottom of any Mormon Hub page. Mormon Hub reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to moderate, reject, refuse to post or remove any posting (including private messages) by you, or to restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to all or any part of the Mormon Hub Services at any time, for any or no reason, with or without prior notice, and without liability. Mormon Hub expressly reserves the right to remove your profile and/or restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to any part of Mormon Hub Services if Mormon Hub determines, in its sole discretion, that you pose a threat to Mormon Hub and/or its Users. Mormon Hub reserves the right to ask a member to change their username if it is found to be offensive or can be perceived as offensive. Due to the sacredness, this would include any usernames that include, Jesus, Christ, God, Lord, names of Prophets, General authorities etc. The names of personal or business websites, blogs, etc. to promote said sites is also prohibited. Using names of political figures or party affiliation is also prohibited. 1. Eligibility. Use of and Membership in the Mormon Hub Services is void where prohibited. By using the Mormon Hub Services, you represent and warrant that (a) all registration information you submit is truthful and accurate; ( B) you will maintain the accuracy of such information; © you are 14 years of age or older; and (d) your use of the Mormon Hub Services does not violate any applicable law or regulation. Your profile may be deleted and your Membership may be terminated without warning, if we believe that you are under 14 years of age. 2. Term. This Agreement shall remain in full force and effect while you use the Mormon Hub Services or are a Member. You may terminate your Membership at any time, for any reason, emailing an admin. Mormon Hub may terminate your Membership at any time, without warning. Even after Membership is terminated, this Agreement will remain in effect, including sections 5-17. 3. Password. When you sign up to become a Member, you will also be asked to choose a password. You are entirely responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your password. You agree not to use the account, username, or password of another Member at any time or to disclose your password to any third party. You agree to notify Mormon Hub immediately if you suspect any unauthorized use of your account or access to your password. You are solely responsible for any and all use of your account. 4. Non-commercial Use by Members. The Mormon Hub Services are for the personal use of Members only and may not be used in connection with any commercial endeavors except those that are specifically endorsed or approved by Mormon Hub. Illegal and/or unauthorized use of the Mormon Hub Services, including collecting usernames and/or email addresses of Members by electronic or other means for the purpose of sending unsolicited email or unauthorized framing of or linking to the Mormon Hub Website is prohibited. Commercial advertisements, affiliate links, and other forms of solicitation may be removed from Member profiles without notice and may result in termination of Membership privileges. Appropriate legal action will be taken for any illegal or unauthorized use of the Mormon Hub Services. 5. Proprietary Rights in Content on Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") that you post to the Mormon Hub Services. After posting your Content to the Mormon Hub Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Mormon Hub Services, you hereby grant to Mormon Hub a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content solely on and through the Mormon Hub Services.
      Without this license, Mormon Hub would be unable to provide the Mormon Hub Services. For example, without the right to modify Member Content, Mormon Hub would not be able to digitally compress music files that Members submit or otherwise format Content to satisfy technical requirements, and without the right to publicly perform Member Content, Mormon Hub could not allow Users to listen to music posted by Members. The license you grant to Mormon Hub is non-exclusive (meaning you are free to license your Content to anyone else in addition to Mormon Hub), fully-paid and royalty-free (meaning that Mormon Hub is not required to pay you for the use on the Mormon Hub Services of the Content that you post), sublicensable (so that Mormon Hub is able to use its affiliates and subcontractors such as Internet content delivery networks to provide the Mormon Hub Services), and worldwide (because the Internet and the Mormon Hub Services are global in reach). This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the Mormon Hub Services. The license does not grant Mormon Hub the right to sell your Content, nor does the license grant Mormon Hub the right to distribute your Content outside of theMormon Hub Services. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Mormon Hub Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Content on or through the Mormon Hub Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Content posted by you to or through the LDS.Mormon Hub Services. The Mormon Hub Services contain Content of Mormon Hub ("Mormon Hub Content"). Mormon Hub Content is protected by copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret and other laws, and Mormon Hub owns and retains all rights in the Mormon Hub Content and the Mormon Hub Services. Mormon Hub hereby grants you a limited, revocable, nonsublicensable license to reproduce and display the Mormon Hub Content (excluding any software code) solely for your personal use in connection with viewing the Mormon Hub Website and using the Mormon Hub Services. The Mormon Hub Services contain Content of Users and other Mormon Hub licensors. Except for Content posted by you, you may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the Mormon Hub Services.   6. Content Posted. Mormon Hub may delete any Content that in the sole judgment of Mormon Hub violates this Agreement or which may be offensive, illegal or violate the rights, harm, or threaten the safety of any person. Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility for monitoring the Mormon Hub Services for inappropriate Content or conduct. If at any time Mormon Hub chooses, in its sole discretion, to monitor the Mormon Hub Services, Mormon Hub nonetheless assumes no responsibility for the Content, no obligation to modify or remove any inappropriate Content, and no responsibility for the conduct of the User submitting any such Content. You are solely responsible for the Content that you post on or through any of the Mormon Hub Services, and any material or information that you transmit to other Members and for your interactions with other Users. Mormon Hub does not endorse and has no control over the Content. Content is not necessarily reviewed by Mormon Hub prior to posting and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub makes no warranties, express or implied, as to the Content or to the accuracy and reliability of the Content or any material or information that you transmit to other Members.   7. Content/Activity Prohibited. The following is a partial list of the kind of Content that is illegal or prohibited to post on or through the Mormon Hub Services.Mormon Hub reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Mormon Hub's sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, removing the offending communication from the Mormon Hub Services and terminating the Membership of such violators. Prohibited Content includes, but is not limited to Content that, in the sole discretion of Mormon Hub: is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual; harasses or advocates harassment of another person; exploits people in a sexual or violent manner; contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult website; solicits personal information from anyone; provides any telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs or email addresses; promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous; promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person's copyrighted work, such as providing pirated computer programs or links to them, providing information to circumvent manufacture-installed copy-protect devices, or providing pirated music or links to pirated music files; involves the transmission of "junk mail," "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, "spimming," or "spamming"; contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page); furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses; solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users; involves commercial activities and/or sales without our prior written consent such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes; includes a photograph of another person that you have posted without that person's consent; or uses sexually suggestive imagery or any other unfair, misleading or deceptive Content intended to draw traffic to the profile.
      The following is a partial list of the kind of activity that is illegal or prohibited on the Mormon Hub Website and through your use of the Mormon Hub Services. Mormon Hub reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Mormon Hub's sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, reporting you to law enforcement authorities. Prohibited activity includes, but is not limited to: criminal or tortuous activity, including child pornography, fraud, trafficking in obscene material, drug dealing, gambling, harassment, stalking, spamming, spimming, sending of viruses or other harmful files, copyright infringement, patent infringement, or theft of trade secrets; advertising to, or solicitation of, any Member to buy or sell any products or services through the Mormon Hub Services. You may not transmit any chain letters or junk email to other Members. It is also a violation of these rules to use any information obtained from the Mormon Hub Services in order to contact, advertise to, solicit, or sell to any Member without their prior explicit consent. In order to protect our Members from such advertising or solicitation, Mormon Hub reserves the right to restrict the number of emails which a Member may send to other Members in any 24-hour period to a number which Mormon Hub deems appropriate in its sole discretion. If you breach this Agreement and send unsolicited bulk email, instant messages or other unsolicited communications of any kind through the Mormon Hub Services, you acknowledge that you will have caused substantial harm to Mormon Hub, but that the amount of such harm would be extremely difficult to ascertain. As a reasonable estimation of such harm, you agree to pay Mormon Hub $50 for each such unsolicited email or other unsolicited communication you send through the Mormon Hub Services; covering or obscuring the banner advertisements on your personal profile page, or any Mormon Hub page via HTML/CSS or any other means; any automated use of the system, such as using scripts to add friends or send comments or messages; interfering with, disrupting, or creating an undue burden on the Mormon Hub Services or the networks or services connected to the Mormon Hub Services; attempting to impersonate another Member or person; copying the code for your Mormon Hub Player and embedding it into other profiles or asking other Members to embed it into their profiles; using the account, username, or password of another Member at any time or disclosing your password to any third party or permitting any third party to access your account; selling or otherwise transferring your profile; using any information obtained from the Mormon Hub Services in order to harass, abuse, or harm another person; displaying an advertisement on your profile, or accepting payment or anything of value from a third person in exchange for your performing any commercial activity on or through the Mormon Hub Services on behalf of that person, such as placing commercial content on your profile, posting blogs or bulletins with a commercial purpose, selecting a profile with a commercial purpose as one of your "Top" friends, or sending private messages with a commercial purpose; or using the Mormon Hub Services in a manner inconsistent with any and all applicable laws and regulations.   8. Copyright Policy. You may not post, modify, distribute, or reproduce in any way any copyrighted material, trademarks, or other proprietary information belonging to others without obtaining the prior written consent of the owner of such proprietary rights. It is the policy of Mormon Hub to terminate Membership privileges of any Member who repeatedly infringes the copyright rights of others upon receipt of proper notification to Mormon Hub by the copyright owner or the copyright owner's legal agent. Without limiting the foregoing, if you believe that your work has been copied and posted on the Mormon Hub Services in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please provide our Copyright Agent with the following information: (i) an electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest; (ii) a description of the copyrighted work that you claim has been infringed; (iii) a description of where the material that you claim is infringing is located on the Mormon Hub Services; (iv) your address, telephone number, and email address; (v) a written statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the disputed use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; (vi) a statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the copyright owner's behalf. 9. Member Disputes. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other Mormon Hub Members. Mormon Hub reserves the right, but has no obligation, to monitor disputes between you and other Members. 10. Privacy. Use of the Mormon Hub Services is also governed by our Privacy Policy, which is incorporated into this Agreement by this reference. 11. Disclaimers. Mormon Hub is not responsible for any incorrect or inaccurate Content posted on the Mormon Hub Website or in connection with the Mormon Hub Services, whether caused by Users of the Mormon Hub Services or by any of the equipment or programming associated with or utilized in the Mormon Hub Services. Profiles created and posted by Members on the Mormon Hub Website may contain links to other websites. Mormon Hub is not responsible for the Content, accuracy or opinions expressed on such websites, and such websites are in no way investigated, monitored or checked for accuracy or completeness by Mormon Hub. Inclusion of any linked website on the Mormon Hub Services does not imply approval or endorsement of the linked website by Mormon Hub. When you access these third-party sites, you do so at your own risk. Mormon Hub takes no responsibility for third party advertisements which are posted on this Mormon Hub Website or through the Mormon Hub Services, nor does it take any responsibility for the goods or services provided by its advertisers. Mormon Hub is not responsible for the conduct, whether online or offline, of any User of the Mormon Hub Services.Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, delay in operation or transmission, communications line failure, theft or destruction or unauthorized access to, or alteration of, any User or Member communication. Mormon Hub is not responsible for any problems or technical malfunction of any telephone network or lines, computer online systems, servers or providers, computer equipment, software, failure of any email or players due to technical problems or traffic congestion on the Internet or on any of the Mormon Hub Services or combination thereof, including any injury or damage to Users or to any person's computer related to or resulting from participation or downloading materials in connection with the Mormon Hub Services. Under no circumstances shall Mormon Hub be responsible for any loss or damage, including personal injury or death, resulting from use of the Mormon Hub Services, attendance at a Mormon Hub event, from any Content posted on or through the Mormon Hub Services, or from the conduct of any Users of the Mormon Hub Services, whether online or offline. The Mormon Hub Services are provided "AS-IS" and as available and Mormon Hub expressly disclaims any warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or non-infringement. Mormon Hub cannot guarantee and does not promise any specific results from use of the Mormon Hub Services. 12. Limitation on Liability. IN NO EVENT SHALL MORMON HUB BE LIABLE TO YOU OR ANY THIRD PARTY FOR ANY INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, EXEMPLARY, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, INCLUDING LOST PROFIT DAMAGES ARISING FROM YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES, EVEN IF MORMON HUB HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY CONTAINED HEREIN, MORMON HUB'S LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY CAUSE WHATSOEVER AND REGARDLESS OF THE FORM OF THE ACTION, WILL AT ALL TIMES BE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT PAID, IF ANY, BY YOU TO MORMON HUB FOR THE MORMON HUB SERVICES DURING THE TERM OF MEMBERSHIP. 13. U.S. Export Controls. Software available in connection with the Mormon Hub Services (the "Software") is further subject to United States export controls. No Software may be downloaded from the Mormon Hub Services or otherwise exported or re-exported in violation of U.S. export laws. Downloading or using the Software is at your sole risk. 14. Disputes. If there is any dispute about or involving the Mormon Hub Services, you agree that the dispute shall be governed by the laws of the State of Utah, USA, without regard to conflict of law provisions and you agree to exclusive personal jurisdiction and venue in the state and federal courts of the United States located in the State of Utah, City of Orem. Either Mormon Hub or you may demand that any dispute between Mormon Hub and you about or involving the Mormon Hub Services must be settled by arbitration utilizing the dispute resolution procedures of the American Arbitration Association (AAA) in Orem, Utah, USA, provided that the foregoing shall not prevent Mormon Hub from seeking injunctive relief in a court of competent jurisdiction. 15. Indemnity. You agree to indemnify and hold Mormon Hub, its subsidiaries, and affiliates, and their respective officers, agents, partners and employees, harmless from any loss, liability, claim, or demand, including reasonable attorneys' fees, made by any third party due to or arising out of your use of the Mormon Hub Services in violation of this Agreement and/or arising from a breach of this Agreement and/or any breach of your representations and warranties set forth above and/or if any Content that you post on theMormon Hub Website or through the Mormon Hub Services causes Mormon Hub to be liable to another. 16. Other. This Agreement is accepted upon your use of the Mormon Hub Website or any of the Mormon Hub Services and is further affirmed by you becoming a Member. This Agreement constitutes the entire agreement between you and Mormon Hub regarding the use of the Mormon Hub Services. The failure of Mormon Hub to exercise or enforce any right or provision of this Agreement shall not operate as a waiver of such right or provision. The section titles in this Agreement are for convenience only and have no legal or contractual effect. Mormon Hub is a trademark of Mormon Hub, Inc. This Agreement operates to the fullest extent permissible by law. If any provision of this Agreement is unlawful, void or unenforceable, that provision is deemed severable from this Agreement and does not affect the validity and enforceability of any remaining provisions. Please contact us at: Contact Mormon Hub with any questions regarding this Agreement.   Use the online HTML tidy to compose similar articles in your web browser.

All Activity

This stream auto-updates   

  1. Today
  2. a) This is a personal interpretation similar to the author. There is clear evidence from scripture that there is no "increase" for individuals who did not choose to marry. Doctrine & Covenants 131: 4, "He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase." (emphasis added). There isn't any doctrine specifying progression within the Celestial kingdom. I understand there are members which believe this is possible. b) Living during the Millenium is different than what the author is suggesting. The author is emphasizing after death. Good Christian and single Mormon are mentioned; however, this is personal interpretation. God is perfectly just and merciful and will take into account every option. Single Mormons probably stems from D&C 131: 1-4, but is overly simplistic because there are good single women, possibly men, who may not have had the opportunity in this life and no blessing we are told is withheld. So to lump with "all" single Mormons isn't correct. A "good" Christian who rejects the gospel in this life, but receives it in the next will receive, at most, Terrestial glory. I like scriptural use of the term "honorable men" rather than "good" people or Christian. c) This is the same argument Atheists use when referring to "hell" being for eternity. It isn't fair. God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts, and his ways higher than our ways. Yes, a lack of progression within the Celestial kingdom can indeed be fair -- fortunately, I am not the judge but God is and he is perfectly fair (either way). Celestial Glory Breakdown from Article: 1) The highest level of the celestial heavenly kingdom is for (married) Mormons who have kept all the Celestial laws and commandments (this is what they refer to by “eternal life”). True except for the word "Mormon". Baptism for the dead, and in light of those who died without knowledge, can also be exalted (receive all the Father hath). Many non-Mormons will achieve exaltation, Mormon has only been a word for a couple centuries. Better said, only those who have accepted Christ, valiant in their testimony, shall be exalted (including those who would have accepted it in this life). 2) The lower celestial kingdom is for single Mormons who lived a worthy life and good people (including Christians) who didn't have a chance on earth to hear about and accept Mormonism. People in this lower group cannot become gods. Single Mormons as previously stated is too general, and not true in totality. There is truth according to D&C 131:4 (this must be seen in the context of other statements specifying no blessing will be withheld from the righteous). I don't believe their will be any progression within the Celestial kingdom, nor from Telestial to Terrestial and Terrestial to Celestial. Haven't read any scripture that alludes to this. God is still fair. Terrestrial Glory Breakdown from Article: 1) The terrestrial kingdom is for unworthy Mormons and good people who knew about Mormonism on earth but rejected it until after their death. I, personally, don't like his term "unworthy", the scriptures terminology appears to be better. "Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it. These are they who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by the craftiness of men. These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness... These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus" (Section 76) The scriptures do not differentiate between "unworthy Mormons", "good people," etc...
  3. I am inline with what others are suggesting, there is a difference between "listening" and "answering" the prayer. God is always listening to our prayers.
  4. You seem to be moving a little bit so that is fine. You are right it is not positive that there is currently a flaw-but there may be. Awareness caution and potentially breaking it off over this is all perfectly fine. I would hope that when considering a potential spouse that nothing is done in reactionary/heat of the moment judgement-this goes for getting married or not getting married-whether it is this issue or another. These things should be considered seriously. If one has previously made a decision in their mind to not get married to someone who has previously broken the LoC-that is their decision and I don't make a judgement on it good or bad. For this particular instance the OP knows her, but I certainly question how well one can really get to know someone when they live in a different country. I know I'm old-fashioned but every time I think about long-distance relationships with someone over the internet I always think of:
  5. My county is still somewhat sane politically, and it does have a professional baseball team (Angels), and hockey (Ducks), and of course the Happiest Place on Earth. We have great beaches with variety of what kind of beach experience you want, and yes, you can find isolated spots if you know where to look. I live close to the beach, but thanks to traffic, the drive went from 15 minutes to forget about it on the weekends. I love the climate, and the lack of bugs. Close enough to LA and San Diego to make a day trip but far enough away to not feel like I'm in a big city. Cost of living is high, traffic is getting worse and worse, taxes are getting higher and higher. I love it for now, but I have no objections to a move. Utah may be in my future.
  6. Yes but it is not proof positive that the person currently has a significant character flaw, especially after they have completed the repentance process. In the case the OP seems to have known her for some time and has not prior this revelation seen anything that concerns him. Awareness and caution, fine, breaking it off as a reactionary judgment, not cool.
  7. That is how I took it at the time and I remember there being something said even more clear about it in another GC not too far off. The info on your link is more recent so it doesn't matter if I'm taking it wrong or not. Thanks. It still is more generous towards those who don't serve a mission then in the past at least.
  8. How do you see this is a rescission, LDM? You underlined "privilege"; do you think that calling something a privilege means it's not an obligation? Full-time missionary service is indeed an obligation of our young men, unless and until the young man is excused from that service. Calling it a privilege -- which it is -- does not change its nature as an obligation.
  9. I dont know what you are talkibg about. Im not advocating no breaks or keeping them til 10:00.
  10. Perhaps. I don't think we can know in mortality what life in eternity will be. Our ideas about it are mostly speculation anyway. I can see a case for a variety of beliefs (none of which seem that different to me except in a few details). In the end, I'm gonna side with Paul - we can't imagine.
  11. Yeap, if they are here we should be charitable and compassionate to them (the Good Samaritan). We should hope for a solution that ends their desire to leave their homeland. And IMO we should hope for a solution that restricts their ability to be in this country and remove them if possible . . .but if they are our neighbors we should still be charitable. Even if things like this drive me bonkers: http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/article142759434.html After the Fawnbrook case, the Refugee Center partnered with a behavioral agency to hold therapy groups with school-aged refugee children who’d recently arrived in Twin Falls “so they understand that type of behavior isn’t acceptable,” Rwasama said. Yeah . . .good luck with that. 14,10,7 year old sexually assault a 5-year old. No amount of "therapy groups" is going to fix that behavior-that behavior is learned in the home. SMH . . .we are idiots.
  12. The component that is often left out of the discussion (imo) is the fact that we came to earth supporting God's plan that we could become like Him. The fact that we may not be comfortable around Him having failed and that our shame in having failed will make us wish we could be buried by rocks doesn't equate, to me, to "relief". It could, I admit, be termed that way from a certain point of view. But I think there are implicit ideas in using such a term that are not, to my thinking, wholly accurate. Relief implies, "Well, I didn't really want that anyway." I do not believe that will be the case. Rather, I think, we'll be excessively and eternally traumatized by having not achieved something that we actually did, very much, want.
  13. @mt_mck7 - You could also do scripture quotes and/or hymn lyrics: "be strong and of a good courage" "let your light so shine" "hold to the rod" "scatter sunshine" "count your many blessings" etc, etc, etc
  14. The Chinese food is so various, you can't eat out at a short time. You should spend a lot of time to taste all the kinds of food.
  15. ??? Still not what you said https://www.lds.org/prophets-and-apostles/unto-all-the-world/prepare-to-be-a-missionary?lang=eng “First, to young men of the Aaronic Priesthood and to you young men who are becoming elders: I repeat what prophets have long taught—that every worthy, able young man should prepare to serve a mission. Missionary service is a priesthood duty—an obligation the Lord expects of us who have been given so very much." No recession. All worthy able young men are to serve missions. If they aren't worthy-they are to get worthy. Able-means those who are physically, mentally and emotionally able. No difference now vs. 20 years ago-only a little more strict now on what "able" means.
  16. The bread looks so dilicious, I would like to do it follow the recipe now.
  17. Welcome! Your road back will be rocky, but the destination is worth it. Someone who I am close to went through similar struggles (pornography and law of chastity violations). While he was excommunicated for awhile, it turned out to be a blessing, as it motivated him to recommit himself to living up to the covenants he had made before. You may feel more comfortable confessing to your bishop once you know him, or it may be easier to confess to a stranger. If the former, follow the previous advice and just show up for a few weeks and get to know folks. If strangers are easier, follow the advice to set up an appointment and tell him what you've told us. You mentioned concern about having to change careers because you work a lot of Sundays. If the Lord needs you to, He'll let you know and provide a way. But He may not require that. The 2nd counselor in our Branch Presidency works in a factory that requires he be gone every other Sunday. Don't let that fear be what stops you from progressing on the path back to Christ.
  18. Yeap. I'd like to know where the obligation for YM to serve missions has ever been rescinded. My point is not so much that one should expect to marry a virgin-if someone wants to set that expectation that is fine, I don't think it is a wrong expectation or a right one. It is probably generally a good thing for a young man to not marry someone who has been divorced. Different ages have different stages and expectations out of marriage. Someone who is 40 isn't probably going to marry a virgin-they are probably going to marry a widow or a divorcee (I'd still recommend against a divorcee). For someone who is youngish (20s), it is perfectly reasonable for them to want to marry someone who is a virgin. Making that desire out to be an unChristlike attribute is IMO wrong. This isn't someone who was raped, or molested or who was divorced or a widow. Those are all different cases then what is being discussed here. This young lady was endowed, served a mission, knew full well the Law of Chastity, it's importance etc. She knew full well what she was doing when she broke the LoC. I understand that she has fully repented and that she has been forgiven. But choosing a spouse isn't about choosing the person who has repented the most or who has been forgiven the most. Choosing a spouse goes beyond the prettiest, the most spiritual, the most perfect, or whatever other "requirement". Choosing a spouse is about selecting an individual who is a good fit, who's character and the sum total of who they currently and of who they potentially may become is a good fit for that individual. And by the same token, is that true for each party. Breaking the LoC after being endowed can potentially reveal a significant character flaw. It's not about forgiveness, it's about understanding who the person is. There is already a documented instance where this person did not live up to a commitment and covenant. Is there a pattern of that (not in the big things-but in the small things in life). If there is, is that the type of person you want to be marriage to? Someone who has a hard time living up to hard commitments? Are there other things that this individual has done that lead to questions of judgement? Certainly breaking the LoC after being endowed is a severe lapse in judgment? Are there other severe lapses in judgement? And do you want to live with that. I don't blame anyone or think they are less worthy or less righteous if they just have a simple rule that they won't marry anyone who has broken the LoC. Because quite frankly, knowing that your potential spouse broke the LoC after attending the temple and after going on a mission-it should cause you to question if they are the right person-b/c it is deeply revealing about the person. Now, one might have all these questions answered, maybe it was 10 years ago, maybe there is no larger issue about judgement or commitment or anything else and everything is answered satisfactorily. Everyone can move on and all is good. Or maybe they aren't answered well and other issues about judgement or character come up and things need to be broken off. Again it's not about forgiveness, it's about understanding the other person's character and breaking the LoC after a mission and after the temple is deeply revealing about one's character. Regardless about whether this sister felt lonely or felt she was never going to get married or whatever other reason as to why. Plenty of other women live their whole lives in complete chastity never able to marry-it is not an unreasonable expectation. I'm not advocating for or against marrying someone who broke the LoC-only that a re-evaluation of whether one wants to marry someone who previously broke the LoC is not an unChristlike thing, it's not a moral sin, it's not a "you're so horrible b/c you are doing that", it's a very natural thing that quite frankly probably should happen. The answer as to whether the marriage should happen or not happen we decide and then take it to the Lord for Him to confirm or deny.
  19. Nothing Left to Give
  20. I used to like it, but now I prefer to the Chinese food.
  21. I seem to remember a quote or scripture about how after we are resurrected, we will have a lot to learn before Exaltation comes. That we will be in the celestial kingdom continueing to learn until we essentially know everything... not positive in that though, I was hoping someone with more knowledge than I to correct me on the thought.
  22. Specifically I'm referring to the December 11, 2002 First Presidency letter that says “Full-time missionary service is a privilege for those who are called through inspiration by the President of the Church. Bishops and stake presidents have the serious responsibility to identify worthy, qualified members who are spiritually, physically, and emotionally prepared for this sacred service and who can be recommended without reservation. Those individuals not able to meet the physical, mental, and emotional demands of full-time missionary work are honorably excused and should not be recommended. They may be called to serve in other rewarding capacities.” (as quoted in https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/10/raising-the-bar?lang=eng )
  23. Because being in his presence with a full knowledge of their own guilt and failure is the definition of misery? (You know, all that quaking, trembling, and shrinking stuff? Or, as described in relation to the second coming, wishing the rocks would fall on them and cover them? I have a hard time believing that feeling would ever completely disappear.)
  24. Not sure about this. Why would those who have spent eons with a father they love feel relief at never being able to be with Him again?
  25. This is untrue. Young men are just as obligated to serve a mission now as at any time in the past. Not sure where you got the idea otherwise, but you're mistaken.
  26. The church teaches us to treat people with kindness and offer help to those in need, and that is right and good, but sadly there is a large number of members who misunderstand the message and think the church is calling for open boarders and no security screening of people trying to claim refugee status. It's understandable since those who do call for such policies cloak them in similar language, but that is not the position of the church.
  1. Load more activity