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  3. Here's something interesting. This part I had not heard before: Some versions of the story indicate that she had originally promised herself to Apollo for the gift of prophecy. When she received it, she went back on her promise and denied him. That was when Apollo cursed her with insanity. Some say she actually did go insane. Other versions say she was not, but merely thought to be insane. This pattern of blessing and curse (or sometimes curse then blessing) is based on the Greek belief that anything done by the gods could not be undone. But something else can be given/taken to offset it. Another myth was of a man who accidentally came upon Athena while bathing and immediately looked way for propriety's sake. But she saw him and cursed him with blindness. When he explained his innocence in the matter, she couldn't give him his sight back. But he gave him visions (prophecy) as well as your basic psychic type gifts.
  4. Yeah!!! Actually it's lower: he has not yet made temple commitments to keep the Law of Chasity. If he was not baptized yet when the events occurred chances are extremely extremely low. **** Important: New members are generally required to wait a year to attend the temple (time for their foundational roots to grow). So even if this had not occurred, you two could not get sealed in the temple tomorrow anyways. ***** Quit worrying about your parents. And give the Bishop a little credit for discretion.
  5. I don't think your parents will find out. The Church is very good about maintaining confidentiality in these matters. How close are you to your parents? Are they in the same ward or city? If they have a history of acting horribly and impeding their childrens' repentance process, perhaps you should limit contact with them while you are going through this. If they ask, say you are "busy" with your new husband. You are about to do something very honorable, so why give Satan a chance to try and impede you by acting through your parents? (And yes, their reaction to your sister sounds like it was straight from Satan, frankly, and they need to repent).
  6. Only the bishop can answer questions about excommunication because that is his role and responsibly and stewardship. If it does happen.. look at is as a temporary timeout. And do everything in your power to come back... Because you most definitively can
  7. In high school I was accused of being gay because I'm not into the traditional guy stuff. When Dale said "Are you gay?"I said "Your girlfriend doesn't think so"
  8. I thought it was a lesson in life. Many times people expect others to react because you have knowledge. But more people react because of what you do (because of what you know). what did Cassandra actually do with what she knew? It's not that she could have done a lot being a woman in ancient Greece. It was the basic principle being taught by the myth that people respect actions more than words or knowledge. -- It was also in keeping with the tradition of the Ancient Greeks that one could not deny a god or goddess.
  9. I wouldn't sell yourself short. Read The Thomas Jefferson Education by Oliver DeMille. BTW, my eldest brother has an English Degree. And he is probably the most capable -- and certainly the most wealthy -- of my entire family. Unfortunately, he's also gay. So, he left the Church a while back. C'est la vie.
  10. Indeed... I see her story as more of a metaphor then a personal story (but the personal story is tragic). Some times we get so wrapped up in our personal struggles that we can't see the forest for the trees. Yet someone farther off isn't as wrapped up might see more clearly and truly (aka a Cassandra). Yet when they sound warning trying to help us see more clearly, we ignore belittle and degrade them. Because after all they are not in our shoes so how could they possibly know what is best? Thus this whole issue we are discussing is at least as old as Greeks.
  11. Thank you so much for your responses everyone! My husband and I talked and we both agreed to talk to our bishop ASAP. I've waited for years to go to the temple and I don't want to lie to get there. When we go, I want it to be a truly wonderful and joyous experience and I know it won't feel that way if we are feeling bad for being there unworthy. This is hard, but I'm really glad to know I won't need to carry this heavy burden much longer. My husband has only been a member for a couple months and we've only been married a couple months. Would he have a higher risk of being excommunicated being such a new member? And if I were excommunicated, would my parents somehow find out since I'm sealed to them? I'm really hoping and praying we don't get excommunicated, I can't imagine having something so precious taken from us both because of our foolish mistakes. I wish so bad we could go back in time
  12. A degree that is useless in the real world but can make you sound erudite. I'm sure my Daddy is happy that he spent 80,000$ in tuition for that.
  13. I'm millennial and I am reversed to that study. I find it refreshing reading the book of Mormon due to the fact that it's a transmitted text from the original record. It is an account of an ancient people and I take it as history. Perhaps the millennials in the study are embarrassed by seer stones and Kolob and have adopted a kind of "BOM as Joe's treatise" so they don't embarrass themselves in front of their college friends. As for the Bible, see OP
  14. My cousin smokes, has for years. I asked him if he was worried about the health effects. He said no; he thinks that as long as he eats healthy food and exercises, smoking won't kill him. Guess you can't convince people of the truth if they don't want to hear it.
  15. THAT Cassandra. I just happen to know some Cassandras, and there are several others in books I've read recently, so I didn't make the connection. Thanks to my friend with the English Degree.
  16. I'm not sure if I understand. First, I'm not sure if it will be a problem. I'm assuming you've been married for a year? It shouldn't be a problem. Talk to your bishop. At worst, he'll postpone it a few months. But I'm not sure even that will happen. Even if it does, is "embarrassment" sufficient cause for disrespecting the temple? BTW, your parents were totally out of line for reacting the way they did. If they want to behave like children, then let them. That doesn't mean you should act like one. Take the heat. Remind yourself that if your parents behave that way they're being childish, and you're being the adult willing to accept responsibility. And they don't even need to know any details. Just tell them you decided it would be best to move the date. Really, please just talk to the bishop. You'll feel a lot better about it if you do. Excommunication? I don't know if it is considered adultery if you were in the process of a divorce and were simply waiting for the paperwork to be finalized. I honestly don't know. It's something to give you hope. And even if it is, I highly doubt you would get excommunicated over it especially considering all the circumstances and you show genuine remorse over it. I think you're actually in a very good position to repent and get that monkey off your back.
  17. It's so fascinating a story, isn't it? Many times (no, not always) in Greek literature those who are cursed deserved it in some way. Yet Cassandra is guilty of nothing, so her situation becomes even more tragic.
  18. Greek myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra Someone cursed to know the future/truth but have no one believe or listen to them
  19. Cassandra is a figure from Greek mythology who was gifted with prophecy. Sadly, she was cursed that no one would believe her prophecies.
  20. Indeed.. By the same token if someone is calling you out it might be wise to stop and think if they have a point. For example if you are watching an R-rated movie and someone calls you out, own the fact that you have chosen not to follow the council, even if you choose to ignore them and go ahead anyway
  21. I am going to tell you something you may not realize. You are in a great position to get your life back on track! Most of the time, when there is immorality, the hard part is telling your husband. In your case, he already knows! You can work on repenting together, and in the process get closer than you ever thought imaginable. As for excommunication, who cares? Excommunication is just a name for a stage in the repentance process. If it happens, power through it with your husband and your bishop. It really is not something you should fear, but something you should embrace! You are far better off, spiritually and emotionally, excommunicated but working your way back to the temple then you would be carrying around some dark secret. Most importantly, excommunications are in strict confidence and ward members aren't going to know what is going on! As far as your family is concerned, who cares? If you don't want to tell them, don't! You are not a little girl anymore, you don't have to tell your mom and dad when you are going through a repentance process. If they press about why you are not going to the temple, don't discuss - just say, "I am not going right now and my reasons are my own." If they press, say, "none of your business!" and limit contact for awhile. If there was ever a time to draw boundaries, now is the time! I suggest you and your husband make an appointment with the bishop and tell him together. The second you confess, you become worthy to go to the Celestial Kingdom and live with your husband for eternity, no matter if you end up being excommunicated or not, because the second you confess, you have started on the road through repentance. You are going to feel so good after confessing! You are going to feel more peace than you have felt in years. It is going to be awesome. You and your husband should go confess, then go on a nice date afterward at a restaurant and celebrate getting eternity back. Nothing else matters but being able to enjoy going to the Celestial Kingdom forever with your husband! I am actually kind of excited for you and your husband. You have a perfect chance right now to make everything wrong right again. It is going to be OK! Good luck!
  22. Cassandra?
  23. A messy complicated situation with a simple solution: call your bishop right now. Don't let worrying about what your parents think stand between you and reconciling with the Lord. Don't let worrying about what your parents think stand between your husband and reconciling with the Lord. Don't stand around any longer with these chains of guilt on you. Also: your parents have zero entitled "right" to know what's going on between you and the Lord (/ the bishop as the Lord's servant). If you want to tell them, you can. But if you don't want to tell them what's going on, then you in no way need to tell them.
  24. First of all, everything is going to be okay. There are some steps to work through to get to where you want to be, but as long as you and your husband have the same goal in mind, and have a willing/contrite heart, you can make it to the temple worthily with time. Have you given an exact date to your parents for the temple sealing? If not, then start moving forward with the repentance process with your husband and your bishop, and if they ask when the sealing will happen just let them know you guys are working towards getting there and will let them know when that will happen. They don't need to know specifics. If they ask for specifics, tell them that it's between you and your husband and will look forward to giving them an exact temple date when the time comes. If they start trying to guess what is going on, just reiterate that this is between you and your husband and details are not important. Definitely do not go to the temple unworthily. You have the mindset of wanting to repent, and that is great. But you do need the bishop in this scenario, and you guys can work through this until you can get to the temple worthily. All you have to tell people is that you're working towards that temple sealing with your church leaders, and are looking forward to the day you can get sealed together. But I would make that appointment with the bishop now, so that Satan can't keep putting worries and fears in your head to stop you from starting that repentance process. You can also find counsel with your bishop about how to approach your family's questions about this as well. Everything will work out as it is supposed to, just with time and healing with the Lord's help!
  25. Welcome to the Forums. My first bit of advice is both you and your spouse need to get the bishop and confess ASAP. You know this and you are lucky in the sense that your spouse is right there with you because he is the only one (besides the bishop) that might have needed to know. And he already does. You are worried about your family's reaction and that is understandable. But the Lord has very strong words about those that put family before him. Don't do that. So what do you do about family... They have no "right" to know. You do not have to tell them anything. If they ask about the temple simply say that you are not going at this time. They are entitled to no more answer then that. Of course they might want and even demand more details but you giving that is totally up to you. Parents are still learning and growing even when their kids are adults. Maybe they learned from your sisters experience and are different people now, maybe they did not. That is something no one here can tell you. Bottom line is even if you parents find out all the details and responded just as poorly (or worse) as they did with your sister... it is still the best path for you and I think you know that even if you are afraid of it. Put your faith in God and doing his will and let everything else fall out as it may.
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  27. We agree again. Run to the hills everyone, @estradling75 and I agree on something. You need to pick and choose your battles. If you preach all the time and never shut up, eventually you'll turn into a more pathetic, self righteous version of Cassandra. Sure, you might be right but if everyone ignores you you eventually are doing it to show how righteous you are.
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