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      Mormon Hub Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting   04/17/08

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  2. While the first and second arguments both relate to survival, the first argument focuses in a basis sense on reproduction, itself, as a law of nature and means for survival, whereas the second focuses in a basic sense on evolution as law in nature and a means for survival--of which reproduction is but a part. I may be making too fine a distinction on such basic points, but there is a method to my madness. I am not just attempting to explain why there are so few homosexuals. I am also explicating various reason homosexuality may rightly be considered as undesirable or abnormal. As for "duh!", I am of the same mind. However, as you can tell from some of the negative reactions to my posts, not everyone may be in agreement with us. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  3. I get what you guys are saying so just to clarify - I think too often we're taught/told to 'be nice' when in some instances we should fight and run instead. Sometimes our gut tells us to do things opposite of what years of upbringing has instilled.
  4. For behold, it is not meet that that the moderators should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise poster; wherefore he receiveth a one-week suspension.
  5. Gorusch is a rock star.
  6. So, would filter skipping include ellipsis? How about entering a (substitute word) as parenthesis which would imply the vulgarity?
  7. Which lie is that? The "lie" that, at least in some cases, SSA cannot come completely eradicated in this life? (Not trying to be snarky, and I'm sorry if it comes off that way. I'm just trying to pin down where, if at all, we disagree.)
  8. The definition of Kimball's time is centuries old. Under these definitions, it is correct to call homosexual behavior "unnatural". But you are correct, the "all natural" definition creeping in since the 80s has overshadowed this meaning. Today's meaning is By that definition, it is not reasonable to consider homosexual behavior as "unnatural".
  9. Totally agree. That is why they are called to be Judges in Israel.
  10. I'm not sure how well this is going. Your first post basically comes across as -- "homosexuality -- because it takes an individual out of the breeding pool -- is clearly maladaptive." I'm not sure that anyone will disagree with you on this point. Your second seems to be an extension of the same idea. My main reaction to your essay so far -- (at the risk of being rude) well,, duh! Assuming homosexuality is heritable (even if we don't yet have any real grasp on the mechanism of inheritance), it is fairly clear that it is maladaptive, so naturally it will exist at low levels in the population. We often say that the more we learn, the more we see that we have to learn. You've fairly clearly established that homosexuality is maladaptive, and I don't think there is much argument to be had there. This raises some interesting questions. Why is the trait still present at all in the population? Is this trait trending towards extinction or not? If it is not extinct and not trending toward extinction, what are the mechanisms that keep the trait present at low levels in the population? Some possible parallel examples: Sickle cell anemia and the discussion of heterozygote advantage. Cystic fibrosis could be interesting, because there does not seem to be any consensus on any kind of advantage that this allele could bring, but it still persists. Another interesting case study could be the evolution of "social" animals (like bees and ants) where there are relatively few members of a group that breed and several that are asexual. What are the mechanisms that keep these "maladaptations" present in a population? I am not sure what direction you are planning to take this. It seems to me that, without some discussion of the mechanisms that keep maladaptive traits present (even at low levels) in a population, and being able to definitively show that there is no mechanism that keeps homosexuality present in the population, your argument is going to end up being the "meh" argument that homosexuality is maladaptive, which, I don't think, anyone is going to really argue against. We can barely explain why CF is still present in the population, even though we have a solid understandings of the genetics and inheritance mechanisms of CF. Trying to formulate an argument that there is not nor can be a mechanism that keeps homosexuality in the population when we can barely agree that homosexuality is heritable let alone understand the mechanisms of that inheritance is going to be difficult.
  11. I agree with all of this. But as Dehlin, Snuffer, and Kelly have recently illustrated; no amount of legal hair-splitting can overcome the judgment of an inspired bishop.
  12. I completely agree, I just wish that there was at least one word in the article, just one sentence that acknowledged without caveats that this behavior is sin and disobedience and will eventually lead down a path away from God. But it wasn't there. Instead it was all about acceptance for "who they are".
  13. Confession: I didn't know what filter skipping was, but now that I've read these explanations, I see that my post violates rule 12, I apologise for this violation and thank the mods for not banning me.
  14. I guess it does hold with some. But your point is understood.
  15. I agree, but the inevitable question then becomes (bolded part), what does being homosexual and chaste mean and look like in practice? Is it just simply no sex? What about two guys holding hands? There is nothing unchaste about a boy and a girl holding hands. But for two homosexuals? I personally believe that homosexual relationships (not just the act are sin), therefore having two homosexuals walk into Church, sit in the pew and be cuddling is sin-in fact IMO it is flaunting sin. The same act that would be chaste for unmarried heterosexuals is not chaste for homosexuals. And for the homosexual, we are talking about 1-2% of the population, a very small percentage. IMO, someone who is an active member of the Church but who is leading a homosexual lifestyle should either be excommunicated or disfellowshipped. To do otherwise, is making a mockery of God's commandments. One would disfellowship or excommunicate a bf/gf living together, it really is that simple.
  16. I disagree. I believe the word "unnatural" can reasonably be defined to mean: "against nature--e.g. discordant with the laws and order of nature." Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  17. I think I might try this, but without the chia seeds, vanilla or coconut milk. That would be my kind of snack. I'm guessing we're not going to see Anatess in Australia any time soon - we don't have peeps here, I've never seen them before. As for the kind of snacks I enjoy, at the moment, on my bedside table, I have two packets and a small "bucket" of M&Ms, a 350 gram block of Cadbury fruit and nut chocolate, a bounty bar, a cherry ripe and a snickers. The M&Ms have been there untouched for about two weeks so far but it's nice to know they are there. The Cadbury's is disappearing fast and the bounty bar will be gone by tonight.
  18. I don't see the problem as being that we aren't hating the sin or loving the sinner enough (It is "a" problem that definitely exists, but not "the" problem of this video). But, rather, a narrative that is changing what it means to "love the sinner" to something that isn't really about love at all. It's about getting along. Getting along and loving are not the same thing. The problem is that we love the sinner but we don't get along with them, and we are being taught (primarily by society, but sometimes enforced by videos like this) that if we don't get along, we must not love. That is false. It is a problem. Not disagreeing with you, just in case it wasn't clear. Just expounding on the thoughts.
  19. Not sure whether I agree or disagree. Speaking from a strictly secular perspective, "natural" might be defined as any attribute possessed by organisms that have resulted from evolutionary processes. Does homosexual activity have such attributes? Well, given that organisms are driven by the need to survive and reproduce, an aversion to reproductive sex looks to me like something that runs counter to normal biological processes. (I know others have made this point.) While homosexuality apologists often point to homosexual behavior in animals as evidence that such behavior is natural, what they often leave out is that this behavior is generally observed in animals that are in captivity, which isn't "natural" by the above definition anyway. Also, and I'll put this as delicately as I can, certain homosexual acts involve certain body parts that are not suited to the purpose (The word of the day is prolapse). So clearly, if you believe that evolution brought us to the bodies we have, then we're not evolved to engage in certain acts, or those organs would work better. So, by the definition above, it's an unnatural act to take. My take on it is this: There are few homosexuals in the population because the desire to mate with others of the same sex is a malfunction of some kind, because it leads the organism to take actions that undermine its ability to have its genetics continue into future generations. In every other case I can think of when an organism is born with traits that inhibit its ability to reproduce, we would call that an abnormality.
  20. To me, with nature, it isn't so much about "caring" (since that is personification), but rather it is a matter of how things work. That is why I spoke in terms of laws. And, as I went on to explain, the law of "reproduce or perish" operates at various levels, from nature as a whole, to species, to groups or families within species, to the individual creatures (I have since edit this clarification into the sentence). So, I am not seeing the "dead end" (I caught the pun, whether intended or not). Perhaps you could explain further. I think you are reading way more into the argument than intended. The first argument from nature focuses solely on whether the creature/species/etc.reproduces or not, and not on how the creature uses reproductive organs. The later will be examined in an argument I will yet make.. Also, please keep in mind the intent of the argument, which is 2-fold: explain why there are so few homosexuals in the human population, and establish that homosexuality is abnormal. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  21. It needs to be. But it won't be. Not in our Facebook meme culture. But it's also, imo, short on the idea of real, honest, absolute, change. In theory, however, embracing half-truths as if they are truths will not achieve this end. What it does, instead, is sustain the lie that is the foundation of the apostasy in the first place.
  22. And my favorite... Gorsuch's human moment.
  23. Another pure gold. Tucker Carlson had this guy on his show who wrote a letter to the Senate to vote down Gorsuch because he NEVER rules against a corporation and that he is a racist and White Supremacist. I was yelling at Tucker on TV for not being ready to debate this guy listing the cases that Gorsuch ruled against a corporation or for a minority. Well, Feinstein got an earful of it from Gorsuch on the hearings. I'll go ahead and link Carlson's interview below as well so you can see where Feinstein is getting her questions from.
  24. Yeap ...b/c there is a societal push and agenda to accept homosexuality behavior as normal and healthy. First it started off on the fringes (i.e. 20 years ago this wasn't even a problem) then the left adopted it and it has become part of the liberal ideology. Since the Church is neither left nor right, plenty of members are apart of the Church who have a liberal ideology. That then pushes on the Church and that push is affecting the Church.
  25. @Bluebird, has your husband been diagnosed with Aspergers? If not, might be a good place to start. M.
  26. From Gorsuch's resume and voting history, I can say he is a great choice to sit on Scalia's chair. After a few days of following his congressional hearings... man o man. This guy IS IT. He is the BEST Constitutionalist in all of America (that I know). This Gorsuch vs Feinstein moment is pure golden:
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