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      Mormon Hub Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting   04/17/08

        Any views expressed on Mormon Hub are independent of and do not represent the views of Mormon Hub, More Good Foundation, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Site Rules 1. Do not post, upload, or otherwise submit anything to the site that is derogatory towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings, or its leaders. Anti-LDS Propaganda will not be tolerated anywhere. 2. Please be conscious of the fact that although Mormon Hub is aimed towards an LDS audience, that the membership of this site consists of friends from an array of different backgrounds, beliefs, and cultures. Please be respectful and courteous to all, and know that everyone who is willing to follow the Rules and Terms of Mormon Hub are welcome to participate and be a member of Mormon Hub. Keep in mind that anything posted, uploaded, or otherwise displayed on the site should be understandable to friends of other faiths as well as to members. Please define any LDS vocabulary that friends of other faiths may not understand (i.e. Mutual, Relief Society, and Deacon.) 3. Personal attacks, name calling, flaming, and judgments against other members will not be tolerated. 4. No bickering and nit-picking toward others. Realize that sometimes it is very difficult to be able to express how one feels through written words. Please be courteous and ask for a further explanation, rather then trying to attack and find holes in someone else's post. 5. No cursing or crude language. Any swearing, including filter skipping, will result in an automatic one week suspension. 6. Posting issues you have with a moderator or administrator anywhere on the site will not be allowed. Please follow the chain of authority if you have any concerns. Any such posts will be removed and the poster will be subject to the consequences of breaking the rules. List of site moderators Course of action that should be taken if you have a concern: - Send a message directly to the moderator you have a concern about. If you are unable to work out the problem then, - Send a message to the head moderators. - If after you have approached both avenues, you may then send a message to Heather; however know that Heather is very unlikely to over rule anything that has been sanctioned by the moderators and head moderators. 7. Multiple accounts are not allowed and will result in all accounts being banned from the site. 8. Please do not share any "true" or "faith promoting" stories, unless you can verify the source. 9. Do not post any copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you. 10. Bigoted/racial/ethnic comments will not be tolerated. Political Neutrality Policy More Good Foundation, as a nonprofit foundation, must remain neutral with respect to partisan politics and candidate campaigns for public office. The foundation encourages its members and staff to be informed about political issues and to be engaged in civic life; however, it does not endorse or oppose any political parties, candidates, or platforms. Mormon Hub will allow political discussion, also long as all posts remain neutral with respect to partisan politics and candidate campaigns for public office. You may not use the site to show support, endorse, oppose or sanction any candidate. In addition, all posts must be respectful and sensitive to readers of all political beliefs and backgrounds. Any post that violates any of the above conditions will be dealt with according to the consequences of breaking the rules. As a non-profit organization, 501©3, we are governed by legal constraints relative to writing, blogging, or otherwise endorsing any candidate running for political office. The law states, in effect, that no one acting on behalf of the nonprofit can intervene directly or indirectly in the election process by endorsing a political candidate. Any post that speaks favorably about one candidate, even in a religious context, can be construed as indirect intervention in the election process. While journalists are presently exempt from this provision, bloggers and forum-members are not. 12. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this site to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. 13. You will not use this site to solicit the sale of any product, service or website. You will not use this site to promote a money making venture or contest. If appropriate, you may post a link to your personal website or to your business on your profile, in your forum signature, and you make create one post in the web link section of the forum. Do not post any link or discuss any business, service, or website that violates any rule of Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub is not responsible for the content of any site linked on Mormon Hub. Consequences to these rules could result in the following, and are determined on a case by case basis. Anything that an Administrator or Moderator determines is more than just an infraction of the rules, will result in immediate banning from the site and/or legal action: First infraction will result in a warning and a message from a moderator on what rule was broken. Second infraction will result in a one week suspension followed by a two week moderator post approval Third infraction will result in banned from the site for good. Any topic, message, video, music, image, or other upload or submission to the site that breaks any rules will be deleted. Please remember that we are not responsible for anything posted or uploaded. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message or upload. We are not responsible for the contents of any message, video, image, post or upload. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Mormon Hub , More Good Foundation, or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact the Administration immediately by Private Message, Email, or Report a Post. We will make every effort to remove objectionable messages and uploads within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. Mormon Hub Terms of Use Agreement January 8, 2008 Mormon Hub is a social networking service that allows Members to create unique personal profiles online in order to find and communicate with old and new friends. Mormon Hub refers to "Mormon Hub or its proprietors." The services offered by Mormon Hub ("Mormon Hub" or "we") include the Mormon Hub website (the "Mormon Hub Website"), the Mormon Hub Internet messaging service, and any other features, content, or applications offered from time to time by Mormon Hub in connection with the Mormon Hub Website (collectively, the "Mormon Hub Services"). The Mormon Hub Services are hosted in the U.S. This Terms of Use Agreement ("Agreement") sets forth the legally binding terms for your use of the Mormon Hub Services. By using the Mormon Hub Services, you agree to be bound by this Agreement, whether you are a "Visitor" (which means that you simply browse the Mormon Hub Website) or you are a "Member" (which means that you have registered with Mormon Hub). The term "User" refers to a Visitor or a Member. You are only authorized to use the Mormon Hub Services (regardless of whether your access or use is intended) if you agree to abide by all applicable laws and to this Agreement. Please read this Agreement carefully and save it. If you do not agree with it, you should leave the Mormon Hub Website and discontinue use of the Mormon Hub Services immediately. If you wish to become a Member, communicate with other Members and make use of the Mormon Hub Services, you must read this Agreement and indicate your acceptance during the Registration process. This Agreement includes Mormon Hub's policy for acceptable use of the Mormon Hub Services and Content posted on the Mormon Hub Website, your rights, obligations and restrictions regarding your use of the Mormon Hub Services and Mormon Hub's Privacy Policy. In order to participate in certain Mormon Hub Services, you may be notified that you are required to download software or content and/or agree to additional terms and conditions. Unless otherwise provided by the additional terms and conditions applicable to the Mormon Hub Services in which you choose to participate, those additional terms are hereby incorporated into this Agreement.  Mormon Hub may modify this Agreement from time to time and such modification shall be effective upon posting by Mormon Hub on the Mormon Hub Website. You agree to be bound to any changes to this Agreement when you use the Mormon Hub Services after any such modification is posted. It is therefore important that you review this Agreement regularly to ensure you are updated as to any changes. Please choose carefully the information you post on Mormon Hub and that you provide to other Users. You may NOT include any of the following information anywhere on Mormon Hub, including private messages: telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, and any photographs containing nudity, or obscene, lewd, excessively violent, harassing, sexually explicit or otherwise objectionable subject matter. Email addresses should NEVER be posted to the general public. Despite this prohibition, information provided by other Mormon Hub Members (for instance, in their Profile) may contain inaccurate, inappropriate, offensive or sexually explicit material, products or services, and Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility or liability for this material. If you become aware of misuse of the Mormon Hub Services by any person, please contact Mormon Hub or click on the "Report Inappropriate Content" link at the bottom of any Mormon Hub page. Mormon Hub reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to moderate, reject, refuse to post or remove any posting (including private messages) by you, or to restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to all or any part of the Mormon Hub Services at any time, for any or no reason, with or without prior notice, and without liability. Mormon Hub expressly reserves the right to remove your profile and/or restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to any part of Mormon Hub Services if Mormon Hub determines, in its sole discretion, that you pose a threat to Mormon Hub and/or its Users. Mormon Hub reserves the right to ask a member to change their username if it is found to be offensive or can be perceived as offensive. Due to the sacredness, this would include any usernames that include, Jesus, Christ, God, Lord, names of Prophets, General authorities etc. The names of personal or business websites, blogs, etc. to promote said sites is also prohibited. Using names of political figures or party affiliation is also prohibited. 1. Eligibility. Use of and Membership in the Mormon Hub Services is void where prohibited. By using the Mormon Hub Services, you represent and warrant that (a) all registration information you submit is truthful and accurate; ( B) you will maintain the accuracy of such information; © you are 14 years of age or older; and (d) your use of the Mormon Hub Services does not violate any applicable law or regulation. Your profile may be deleted and your Membership may be terminated without warning, if we believe that you are under 13 years of age. 2. Term. This Agreement shall remain in full force and effect while you use the Mormon Hub Services or are a Member. You may terminate your Membership at any time, for any reason, emailing an admin. Mormon Hub may terminate your Membership at any time, without warning. Even after Membership is terminated, this Agreement will remain in effect, including sections 5-17. 3. Password. When you sign up to become a Member, you will also be asked to choose a password. You are entirely responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your password. You agree not to use the account, username, or password of another Member at any time or to disclose your password to any third party. You agree to notify Mormon Hub immediately if you suspect any unauthorized use of your account or access to your password. You are solely responsible for any and all use of your account. 4. Non-commercial Use by Members. The Mormon Hub Services are for the personal use of Members only and may not be used in connection with any commercial endeavors except those that are specifically endorsed or approved by Mormon Hub. Illegal and/or unauthorized use of the Mormon Hub Services, including collecting usernames and/or email addresses of Members by electronic or other means for the purpose of sending unsolicited email or unauthorized framing of or linking to the Mormon Hub Website is prohibited. Commercial advertisements, affiliate links, and other forms of solicitation may be removed from Member profiles without notice and may result in termination of Membership privileges. Appropriate legal action will be taken for any illegal or unauthorized use of the Mormon Hub Services. 5. Proprietary Rights in Content on Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") that you post to the Mormon Hub Services. After posting your Content to the Mormon Hub Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Mormon Hub Services, you hereby grant to Mormon Hub a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content solely on and through the Mormon Hub Services.
      Without this license, Mormon Hub would be unable to provide the Mormon Hub Services. For example, without the right to modify Member Content, Mormon Hub would not be able to digitally compress music files that Members submit or otherwise format Content to satisfy technical requirements, and without the right to publicly perform Member Content, Mormon Hub could not allow Users to listen to music posted by Members. The license you grant to Mormon Hub is non-exclusive (meaning you are free to license your Content to anyone else in addition to Mormon Hub), fully-paid and royalty-free (meaning that Mormon Hub is not required to pay you for the use on the Mormon Hub Services of the Content that you post), sublicensable (so that Mormon Hub is able to use its affiliates and subcontractors such as Internet content delivery networks to provide the Mormon Hub Services), and worldwide (because the Internet and the Mormon Hub Services are global in reach). This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the Mormon Hub Services. The license does not grant Mormon Hub the right to sell your Content, nor does the license grant Mormon Hub the right to distribute your Content outside of the Mormon Hub Services. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Mormon Hub Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Content on or through the Mormon Hub Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Content posted by you to or through the LDS.Mormon Hub Services. The Mormon Hub Services contain Content of Mormon Hub ("Mormon Hub Content"). Mormon Hub Content is protected by copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret and other laws, and Mormon Hub owns and retains all rights in the Mormon Hub Content and the Mormon Hub Services. Mormon Hub hereby grants you a limited, revocable, nonsublicensable license to reproduce and display the Mormon Hub Content (excluding any software code) solely for your personal use in connection with viewing the Mormon Hub Website and using the Mormon Hub Services. The Mormon Hub Services contain Content of Users and other Mormon Hub licensors. Except for Content posted by you, you may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the Mormon Hub Services.   6. Content Posted. Mormon Hub may delete any Content that in the sole judgment of Mormon Hub violates this Agreement or which may be offensive, illegal or violate the rights, harm, or threaten the safety of any person. Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility for monitoring the Mormon Hub Services for inappropriate Content or conduct. If at any time Mormon Hub chooses, in its sole discretion, to monitor the Mormon Hub Services, Mormon Hub nonetheless assumes no responsibility for the Content, no obligation to modify or remove any inappropriate Content, and no responsibility for the conduct of the User submitting any such Content. You are solely responsible for the Content that you post on or through any of the Mormon Hub Services, and any material or information that you transmit to other Members and for your interactions with other Users. Mormon Hub does not endorse and has no control over the Content. Content is not necessarily reviewed by Mormon Hub prior to posting and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub makes no warranties, express or implied, as to the Content or to the accuracy and reliability of the Content or any material or information that you transmit to other Members.   7. Content/Activity Prohibited. The following is a partial list of the kind of Content that is illegal or prohibited to post on or through the Mormon Hub Services.Mormon Hub reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Mormon Hub's sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, removing the offending communication from the Mormon Hub Services and terminating the Membership of such violators. Prohibited Content includes, but is not limited to Content that, in the sole discretion of Mormon Hub: is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual; harasses or advocates harassment of another person; exploits people in a sexual or violent manner; contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult website; solicits personal information from anyone; provides any telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs or email addresses; promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous; promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person's copyrighted work, such as providing pirated computer programs or links to them, providing information to circumvent manufacture-installed copy-protect devices, or providing pirated music or links to pirated music files; involves the transmission of "junk mail," "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, "spimming," or "spamming"; contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page); furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses; solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users; involves commercial activities and/or sales without our prior written consent such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes; includes a photograph of another person that you have posted without that person's consent; or uses sexually suggestive imagery or any other unfair, misleading or deceptive Content intended to draw traffic to the profile.
      The following is a partial list of the kind of activity that is illegal or prohibited on the Mormon Hub Website and through your use of the Mormon Hub Services. Mormon Hub reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Mormon Hub's sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, reporting you to law enforcement authorities. Prohibited activity includes, but is not limited to: criminal or tortuous activity, including child pornography, fraud, trafficking in obscene material, drug dealing, gambling, harassment, stalking, spamming, spimming, sending of viruses or other harmful files, copyright infringement, patent infringement, or theft of trade secrets; advertising to, or solicitation of, any Member to buy or sell any products or services through the Mormon Hub Services. You may not transmit any chain letters or junk email to other Members. It is also a violation of these rules to use any information obtained from the Mormon Hub Services in order to contact, advertise to, solicit, or sell to any Member without their prior explicit consent. In order to protect our Members from such advertising or solicitation, Mormon Hub reserves the right to restrict the number of emails which a Member may send to other Members in any 24-hour period to a number which Mormon Hub deems appropriate in its sole discretion. If you breach this Agreement and send unsolicited bulk email, instant messages or other unsolicited communications of any kind through the Mormon Hub Services, you acknowledge that you will have caused substantial harm to Mormon Hub, but that the amount of such harm would be extremely difficult to ascertain. As a reasonable estimation of such harm, you agree to pay Mormon Hub $50 for each such unsolicited email or other unsolicited communication you send through the Mormon Hub Services; covering or obscuring the banner advertisements on your personal profile page, or any Mormon Hub page via HTML/CSS or any other means; any automated use of the system, such as using scripts to add friends or send comments or messages; interfering with, disrupting, or creating an undue burden on the Mormon Hub Services or the networks or services connected to the Mormon Hub Services; attempting to impersonate another Member or person; copying the code for your Mormon Hub Player and embedding it into other profiles or asking other Members to embed it into their profiles; using the account, username, or password of another Member at any time or disclosing your password to any third party or permitting any third party to access your account; selling or otherwise transferring your profile; using any information obtained from the Mormon Hub Services in order to harass, abuse, or harm another person; displaying an advertisement on your profile, or accepting payment or anything of value from a third person in exchange for your performing any commercial activity on or through the Mormon Hub Services on behalf of that person, such as placing commercial content on your profile, posting blogs or bulletins with a commercial purpose, selecting a profile with a commercial purpose as one of your "Top" friends, or sending private messages with a commercial purpose; or using the Mormon Hub Services in a manner inconsistent with any and all applicable laws and regulations.   8. Copyright Policy. You may not post, modify, distribute, or reproduce in any way any copyrighted material, trademarks, or other proprietary information belonging to others without obtaining the prior written consent of the owner of such proprietary rights. It is the policy of Mormon Hub to terminate Membership privileges of any Member who repeatedly infringes the copyright rights of others upon receipt of proper notification to Mormon Hub by the copyright owner or the copyright owner's legal agent. Without limiting the foregoing, if you believe that your work has been copied and posted on the Mormon Hub Services in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please provide our Copyright Agent with the following information: (i) an electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest; (ii) a description of the copyrighted work that you claim has been infringed; (iii) a description of where the material that you claim is infringing is located on the Mormon Hub Services; (iv) your address, telephone number, and email address; (v) a written statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the disputed use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; (vi) a statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the copyright owner's behalf. 9. Member Disputes. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other Mormon Hub Members. Mormon Hub reserves the right, but has no obligation, to monitor disputes between you and other Members. 10. Privacy. Use of the Mormon Hub Services is also governed by our Privacy Policy, which is incorporated into this Agreement by this reference. 11. Disclaimers. Mormon Hub is not responsible for any incorrect or inaccurate Content posted on the Mormon Hub Website or in connection with the Mormon Hub Services, whether caused by Users of the Mormon Hub Services or by any of the equipment or programming associated with or utilized in the Mormon Hub Services. Profiles created and posted by Members on the Mormon Hub Website may contain links to other websites. Mormon Hub is not responsible for the Content, accuracy or opinions expressed on such websites, and such websites are in no way investigated, monitored or checked for accuracy or completeness by Mormon Hub. Inclusion of any linked website on the Mormon Hub Services does not imply approval or endorsement of the linked website by Mormon Hub. When you access these third-party sites, you do so at your own risk. Mormon Hub takes no responsibility for third party advertisements which are posted on this Mormon Hub Website or through the Mormon Hub Services, nor does it take any responsibility for the goods or services provided by its advertisers. Mormon Hub is not responsible for the conduct, whether online or offline, of any User of the Mormon Hub Services.Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, delay in operation or transmission, communications line failure, theft or destruction or unauthorized access to, or alteration of, any User or Member communication. 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      IMPORTANT!! -- Login Issues   09/12/17

      TL;DR; In order to fix login issues, a lot of people will have to reset their password. As of now, if you are unable to login, please attempt a "Forgot Password"/"Password Reset" (check your spam folder) and if that doesn't work then feel free to Contact Us, for help and please check back on this post for any status updates and FAQs as we go through this process. FAQ:
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      Firstly, I'd like to apologize on behalf of MormonHub for the frustration of the login system. There is a lot of cool things we could do with the login system, and having the logins synced up between our forum system and our front end system has been nice, but for multiple reasons (not just the current login issues), we have decided to move back to the earlier login system. While I would love to be able to migrate everyone's current passwords back, but the systems are just not compatible that way. So a large number of users will need to do a password reset. We realize that we forced everyone to do this on the move to the new system, and we sincerely apologize to everyone that will have to do it again. The Login System has now been swapped over. Give us a little bit of time to work out kinks in the system (will post updates here). If you are unable to login anymore, then please perform a password reset (check spam folder) and if that fails and we don't have any acknowledgement of problems on this post (No known problems at this time), then feel free to contact us (keeping in mind that there are a lot of you and very few of us).


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    To all my LDS friends, and any LDS leadership that cares to take counsel from a Pentecostal jail preacher, please, no, do not go the way of post-modern Christianity. It seems so easy, so popular, so relevant, so accepting/loving/neighborly to interpret scriptures in light of the culture--rather than interpreting our culture in light of God's word--but doing so is folly. The world will NOT love you back. It will use and abuse you, and then discard you. Easy religion and easy churches will die once persecution comes. People join them because they are non-offensive, yet spiritual-seeming. Once society and culture deem all religion offensive, members will flee the easy-going post-modern churches in droves. I'd much rather engage in conversations with those who live like me than with those who claim to believe like me, yet who've placed cultural acceptance above divine revelation (sadly, I have in mind some of the pastors and churches in my very own fellowship). Stay the course! Please.
  5. 10 points
    I think you'd be surprised to learn we DON'T all think the same way. We've just worked through things and come to an understanding, even if that understanding is that we don't agree. Take me for example: I got stuck on several church beliefs, almost to the point I was questioning truths I already knew. I prayed repeatedly for answers and swore I could never join the church because of these issues. I had many people try to help me understand, as people here are trying to help you. It didn't seem that way to me, either. I imagine they were as frustrated as I was, or as you are now. On my trip to San Diego, I met a young Sister Missionary at the temple. Because it was insisted that I stay until the Christmas lights were turned on, I had over an hour to kill. We talked about the Gospel, and I shared the difficulty I was having about several things. One of which was the King Follett discourse. I believe I even turned to this forum for help. The missionaries tried to help, but they didn't even know what King Follett Discourse was. One missionary, I forget now but I believe she was the brand new one, asked me if I ever prayed for peace instead of answers. We discussed it for a bit, but I didn't want peace. I wanted answers to something that was shaking my still undeveloped faith. I pondered it on the way home, and before I went to bed I prayed for God to grant me peace on topics I either didn't understand or took issue with, at least until such a time that He felt I was ready for the answers. I woke up the next morning without a worry about any of the things I was agonizing over for weeks. I wouldn't believe it if it hadn't happened to me. Since that time, I have come to receive answers to some of the problems I was having. Others are still out there, waiting for me to tackle them. I haven't come to accept them at all, I've just come to accept that I either haven't progressed enough to understand them OR God feels I'm not spiritually developed enough to. We're on this side of the veil. There are MANY things we just can't comprehend and likely won't until we return home. We may think we do, but how could we really? I guess I'll just leave you with that. I truly believe God doesn't want your spiritual development to stop because you don't understand something. You may be absolutely correct about your feelings towards that event. However, I trust God's plan and take my direction directly from him. My Stake President once said to me we have three methods to learn. One is the Scripture. One is the Prophet, Apostles, and modern revelation. The third is personal revelation. If one method seems to be telling you something you don't understand or believe to be false, test it with the other two.
  6. 10 points
    Well, not Joseph's finest moment, but it's not exactly like we've been keeping it a secret. Here's what the church had to say about it back in 1981: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1981/08/kinderhook-plates-brought-to-joseph-smith-appear-to-be-a-nineteenth-century-hoax?lang=eng And here's an article from BYU's Religious Study Center back in 2011: https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/no-weapon-shall-prosper/did-joseph-smith-translate-kinderhook-plates A good thorough response would involve asking your husband and parish priest, exactly what they think Prophets of God are, and what they are not. Challenge them to read the Old Testament and see the occasionally rascally band of sinful foolish agenda-driven humans God picked to be his mouthpieces across history. There are umpteen examples of OT prophets failing, sinning, getting things wrong, doing things wrong on purpose, even lying about heavenly things. "How can we trust any of his other translations?" It's a worthy question - the answer is "Via the confirming spiritual witness of the Holy Ghost."
  7. 9 points
    This Sunday School the lesson was on Noah’s ark. Lesson we’ve literally had a million times. But, the teacher did ask a slightly different question: “What times has a the Lord asked you do something odd that you didn’t find out why until later?” For me, I thought of my last trip to San Francisco. It was business trip wherein I arrive much earlier than my colleagues and the hotel wouldn’t be ready for hours yet. I had nothing to do but wander around town. So I plotted myself a tentative route, and wandered around town for miles. Visited a bunch of churches, stores, ate lunch on the patio, etc. Finally it was super dark, and time to head back to the hotel. I was already to start walking, when I felt the Spirit say “you should take the bus”. I shook it off at first—no no, that’s just my inner natural man wanting to be lazy and not walk up all those awful hills-- I should toughen up and actually get some exercise. “No, you should take the bus”, the voice came again. “Fine!” I finally concluded after some more inner arguing, “I’ll be lazy and take the bus”. Well, in a city where there’s a bus stop every block, it took me 5 blocks to find the bus stop (cause I’m just that talented). And then the bus doesn’t accept cash so I physically can’t ride the bus! What the!?! Spirit tells me to take the bus, and then I can’t. Ok, that’s really weird, whatever. So I got back on the sidewalk and walked the 5 miles back, up and down those ridiculous hills. Got back to the hotel, finally was able to check in, and nothing particularly happened. It was completely uneventful besides some sore muscles. Several days later, while studying the history of San Francisco (and not paying attention to my work meeting), I realized why the Spirit told me what it did: because in looking for the bus stop, I took a different way back to the hotel than what I originally planned. I hadn’t wandered through that area of town you should NEVER go through a single lady after dark. I didn’t go there- I was safe, and nothing happened. The Lord works in mysterious ways J Some times we are indeed asked to do things which seem strange to us, but He is in charge. How about you? Have you ever had the Lord tell you to do something strange?
  8. 9 points
    You learn very quickly that hearing the word "no" isn't fatal and you move on. A valuable life lesson actually.
  9. 8 points
    In this day where sexual assault is rampant, I think this is a very bad lesson to be teaching girls or boys. I mean, what kind of message is it teaching our children about being able to say "no" to unwanted romantic (and potentially sexual) attention? What happens when some of these children grow up with these ideas, that women are not supposed to say "no" ever to any sort of advances? It may seem innocent at a junior high dance, but the messages it is sending are dangerous. As a teenager, I was poor, uncool, not athletic, and had absolutely terrible complexion. I was told "no" regularly for things like dates and even dances all the way up until I met my wife. I lived, and so can these boys.
  10. 8 points

    Fasting kidney problem

    That's fine - just fast as to food and follow your doctor's instructions about drinking water. When someone has a legitimate health concern, it is OK to modify fasting. A lot of diabetics, for example, have to modify their fasting to take into account their health issues.
  11. 7 points

    Another horrific school shooting

    Many years ago (actually centuries) Paul Revere made a historic ride. He was the one that started the ride to warn his fellow colonists that the British were coming, but it was others that continued his ride through the night. The REASON the British were coming were not because they were in love with the Colonists, but because they had heard that the colonist were storing military grade weapons, including brass canon. Their goal was to confiscate these military grade weapons. Colonists might be permitted to have a weapon to hunt, but when it came to weapons that could be utilized for military means, the British felt this was too far. That British march to take these weapons turned out in failure as they met resistance by the duly alerted Colonists who had created their own independent group outside the allowed military groups and militia that the British permitted. These individuals, illegally acting under British colonial law, drove the British back eventually that night, shooting from behind trees, fences, and other items as the British in the Brilliant Red Coats made ripe targets for the colonial citizens. Loyalists condemned these individuals who wanted to have these military grade weapons. What purpose did these colonists have except to use it for warfare? Why did they even want to have these weapons, afterall, were they not protected by the British empire and it's soldiers. Did they not already have their own colonial militias...why then would they form this independent group of minute men composed of farmers and other untrained individuals to keep and bear military arms? What did this mean now that these independent colonials had openly fought against British Forces? This effect reverberated through the colonies and was seen as some of the first shots fired for independence. This war, eventually known as the Revolutionary War of American Independence, kept this event in mind (along with others) when many from the Northern Colonies pushed for an item in the Constitution allowing citizens the ability to do as they did that fateful night without the threat of suffering or worrying about the government trying to seize these arms like the British did. It was controversial then, just like it was now, and it did NOT make it into the US constitution. However, one of the first items passed as the new amendments known as the Bill of Rights was what has now become the Right to Bear arms.
  12. 7 points
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/family-relationships/schools-decision-to-refuse-girls-right-to-say-no-if-boys-ask-them-to-dance-challenged-by-pupils-parent/ar-BBIZdka?ocid=st Just speaking as a guy, this is a lesson we (men) must learn at an early age. No one wants to be turned down, but it happens to all of us. You deal with it and move on. When a girl says "no" in junior high it'll empower her and make it easier for her to say "no" later in life. This is one of the worst, worst rules I've ever seen for a school. @LiterateParakeet @zil @Maureen @Jane_Doe @pam-thoughts from the women please.
  13. 7 points

    Hallway Mormons

    Instead of asking why some people stay in the hallway, maybe we should do whatever we can to make people feel comfortable and want to attend classes. Don't get me wrong OP-it's not a personal slam against you, you sound like a really nice person to even notice those chilling in the hallway.
  14. 7 points
    I remember my middle-school years as a grey smear of anxiety with occasional red streaks of terror. I was bottom of all the social ladders as recognized by all the groups. I was shy and gullible and cowardly and socially inept and afraid of rejection or ridicule. Worst 4 years of my life. Peer pressure almost killed me back then. I absolutely did not go to any dances, or for that matter any other non-classroom event if I could avoid it. The school's intent with this practice of "say yes", was to reach out to such kids. Help encourage an accepting and inclusive atmosphere. Help the backwards ones like I was, have some opportunities to grow a little self-esteem based on the payoff of asking a girl to dance and having them say yes. Bit of practical reality: If I had caught wind of something similar back when I was that kid, you couldn't have dragged me to such a thing at gunpoint. No matter what the grown-ups are thinking or saying or striving for here, the brutal jungle of teenager culture already has it figured out. The "pity yes" kids, who can only dance with girls because the schools force them to say yes, already know who they are. And so does every other kid in school, including the girls. I'd bet ten bucks the kids in this school already have a name for these kids - and it's likely more horrible than "pity yes" kids. This well-intentioned effort not only sends the wrong message to girls by violating their agency, it doesn't even help the kids it's intended to help.
  15. 7 points
    I think this school is making a mistake. By not giving the girls the right to choose for themselves who they want to dance with does not necessarily promote inclusivity. It just takes away their right to choose. Teach kids why it's important for everyone to want to choose to be kind to others, to everyone. Forcing kids to be inclusive and kind is not authentic, it's not real kindness - it's forced. M.
  16. 7 points
    My sin is prejudice, judging, and lack of love. Do I really need to stop my sin, or should others just accept me for who I am?
  17. 7 points

    Joseph Smith Papers

    Thanks for that scripture, it jumped off the computer screen at me (literal tears)! And it instantly changed my perspective, so honestly thank you. I'm going to live as if I already know its all true, the Book of Abraham, todays prophet, the LDS church, the Word of Wisdom, all of it. If I do that with a sincere heart and pray every day about it then hopefully the holy spirit will answer me again (and hopefully within a year and 6 months witness to my husband too!). But I think I'm always going to be a church history buff, hopefully it will help me to help investigators with hard questions. Thanks @person0 God must have given you that scripture for me to read, it was perfect
  18. 7 points

    Joseph Smith Papers

    Derail alert! That is fantastic. I am the SS President and I am going to implement this if my bishop gives me the okay.
  19. 7 points
    @changed, Josh Alcorn committed suicide because, in spite of his Y-chromosome, your side told him that he would never be happy until he cut off his boy parts; and because your side told him he shouldn’t have to wait two more years for adulthood before doing things to himself that his parents believed were inappropriate; and because he had a typical juvenile urge to hurt his parents as viscerally as possible. If you’re going to start trying to make me feel guilty for the tragic, selfish actions of a misguided teenager I never met, I’m going to turn it right back at you. Because your side benefits from this, not us. You are the one exploiting this child’s death in the name of ssssssssexxxxxxxxxxx now!!!! Your side dominated the Reddit echo chambers where this kid spent his time, and in which he planned his actions. Our side would have told Josh to focus on the things that make life worth living as a teenager. Study. Plan for college. Get your driver’s license. Get outdoors. Get involved in the community. Make good friends. Serve the people around you. Find your individual value, and make a contribution. Your side told him that if he couldn’t get exactly what he wanted exactly when he wanted it, then his life had no effective value and he may as well roll over and die. And so he did. And now his death is being used to spread that same toxic message to even more kids in his situation. Do you have any idea how sick that is? Call it philosophical friendly fire, if you wish; Josh Alcorn was clearly killed by your side. And when you make cynical attempts to profit from his death through posts like the above, I’m tempted to say that you guys aren’t really all that sorry he’s dead. LGBTQ suicides will only abate when the advocates who claim to care about the issue concede that celibacy/chastity, while a difficult life path, is at least a legitimate and valid one.
  20. 7 points
    Trigger alert - very, very few (fewer than I would have thought prior to this thread, but oh well) will like what I've written below. Study the scriptures (all of them, start to end, not just your favorite cherry-picked verses) and the teachings of latter-day prophets and apostles. (NOTE: If you do not believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Christ's true church restored to the earth, led by him and with his authority, then I don't expect for a minute that you'll like anything below. But apparently some who believe that won't either.) Some people seem to think that the doctrine of eternal families, consisting of man + woman and their children is secondary or optional or policy or something other than foundational / divine / eternal / unchangeable. I don't believe for a minute that God invented this idea - it predates his Godhood in the same way as time, space, matter, light, darkness, heat, cold predate it (such things are not invented, they simply are and always have been). Everything hinges on such family being the fundamental unit of eternity - the point of all else, all the teachings, the Plan of Salvation, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, is to seal us into such eternal units (and to seal all those units to each other). Such a unit is the start of everything and the end goal of everything. Those who choose not to be part of said eternal units will remain separate / individual. They will not be married to anyone / anything. There will be no "alternate" family structure in eternity, no coupling without eternal marriage because perfection will not need it, because alternates cannot be perfect (cannot produce offspring), and the unexalted will not be allowed it (read the scriptures, they teach clearly that there will be no couples outside the celestial kingdom, and at least one D&C verse (and one of the JFSs (I forget which)) gives a clue as to the mechanism that will ensure this). The notion of exaltation including sperm donation, surrogate mothers, test tube babies, artificial insemination, adoption, childlessness, abortion, or any other replacement for or avoidance of normal procreation is absurd. It defies the definition of exalted / perfected / flawless / eternal. Such things are a consequence of mortality (and often are only made necessary due to sin). Regardless of the fact that the mechanism of creating spirit children is unrevealed to mortals, we know that a male and a female sealed as eternal husband and wife are required for procreation to happen, and the nature of perfection precludes any alternate / external mechanisms. If spirit children can be created in some other way (e.g. with two men, or two women, or just one person), then God is a liar and nothing in any scripture attributed to God can be believed. Our existence as spirits and then as mortals supposedly started with a Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother creating us as literal offspring of both parents. Our mortal reality is supposedly patterned after their eternal reality. If this combination were flexible, there was no good reason for God not to reveal that fact the very first time homosexuality became an issue, instead of calling homosexuality a sin and insisting on male + female marriage. If this combination were flexible in eternity, there's no good reason God couldn't have said any old combination - or no combination at all - is good enough in mortality, as long as folks are committed to each other (or to their offspring). For that matter, there is no good reason not to have made mortal biology such that the combination is as flexible / optional as the eternal combination - surely we don't want to imply that if it is possible in the eternities, God could not pattern mortality in the same way - He's supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent. Mortality began with this family unit. It is one of the very few things consistently taught from the beginning. At the moment, I can think of only three things which have been taught consistently from the beginning: Man + Woman forms a family and is meant to continue into eternity, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and the need to obey God. To pull the rug on one of these is to pull the rug on all of them. I know, lots of people think this "rigidity" to be cruel and unusual punishment and therefore God wouldn't do it (meanwhile, there's this outer darkness / perdition thing you'll need to deny to support your "logic"). I expect God knows everything a lot better than we do and no one in any kingdom of glory will accuse him of being unjust (and if the folks in outer darkness do, they'll know they're lying). So, to answer your question - it cannot happen (eternal impossibility). If it did happen, it would mean that God is a liar from the beginning, at which point all religion that starts with Genesis is false and pointless. But don't worry (or, sorry to burst your bubble), it's not going to happen.
  21. 7 points
    I have long held this position. But I think I'm abandoning it. I'm tired of the spiritual and emotional contortions necessary to hold it. True enough, unrepentant fornicators of the heterosexual variety will not inherit celestial glory, just like unrepentant anyones. But there is a difference in nature between homosexual and heterosexual intimacy, even between unmarried people, and it's more than just the gut-level, "ooooh gross" disgust factor. Male-female sexual relations are intrinsically good, in some sense. They result in the creation of life, and perhaps as importantly in the creation of a male-female couple. If a man and a woman were cast away on a desert island somewhere and covenanted with each other to live as married people, I believe God himself would recognize and sanctify their marriage, at least for this life. The same cannot be said for a homosexual couple. Sexual relations between those of the same sex are intrinsically a perversion of sex, which is intended to create life and create love between a man and a woman -- the very foundation of all human society. Heterosexual fornication is still fornication, and if not repented of will condemn the man and woman who practice it. And for sure, there are plenty of perverse heterosexual relationships -- heterosexuality alone doesn't confer sacred status on them. But it's simply ignoring reality to pretend that a homosexual couple is on the exact same moral footing as an unmarried heterosexual couple. That simply is not the case. That is not a judgment of the individual relationships, but of the nature of homosexual vs. heterosexual intimacy.
  22. 7 points
    Come gather around people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone And if your breath to you is worth saving Then you better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changing
  23. 7 points

    Mayan "Megalopolis"

    A good friend of mine just posted the following from an article from the National Geographic website.
  24. 7 points
    I am a recent convert to the LDS faith, having been baptized in late 2016. I came from a strong evangelical background. It wasn't too long ago, say 15 years, that I too, in my ignorance, believed Mormons were cultist. And yes, I was very vocal about that opinion. But let me be clear, when I would try to reach out to my friends and associates who were/are Mormons to leave their faith it wasn't because I thought little of them (because I loved and deeply respected for all of them), it was because I wanted to see them in heaven. Remember, "traditional" Christian denominations have a very different outlook on the afterlife than Mormons do. There is no second chance in the afterlife as most protestants see it. It was out of love that I would try to witness to my Mormon friends and associates. But to be honest, as I said before I believed this out of ignorance. Had I looked past doctrinal differences and saw the fruits of the spirit that most Mormons bear in abundance I wouldn't have seen a cultists, I would have seen a fellow brother or sister in Christ. It was only after I became associated with seasoned LDS members who took the time to explain what and why our church believes certain principals that my attitude slowly began to change. As I became more familiar with LDS doctrine my attitude evolved from Mormons are cultist to Mormons are an odd denomination to becoming a member of the church myself. When I began attending church at our local ward, which was five years before I became LDS, I was always treated like another brother in Christ. When I drew outside the lines in Sunday School or Priesthood (which was often) the members of my church didn't tell me to shut up, they simply listened, thanked me for sharing, and then explained what the LDS faith believes. They practiced the admonition of Joseph Smith when he said, "You can accomplish a lot more good by having a kind word to say about your own faith than you can by having a disparaging one to say about someone else's." And as my knowledge and understanding grew I found that I could easily agree with 90% of what I heard at church and in General Conference. I found that our differences weren't as many as I thought. I found that my brothers and sisters at the Mormon church wanted the same thing that I wanted: to see our family, and loved ones, and friends, and the guy we pass on the street to spend the rest of eternity with then with our Father in Heaven. As Mormons we believe that certain lost principals of the Gospel were restored to the earth by our Father through the Prophet Joseph Smith. It is not the fault of those outside our faith that they are unaware of these truths. I would hope that when we come across those who unaware of what we know to be true that we first remember to always treat them like another brother or sister in Christ. That we remember the words written in II Nephi 33:10: :And now my beloved brethren and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto the words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in not in these words believe in Christ; and if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words for they are the words of Christ and he hath given them unto me and they teach all men that they shall do good." I became a Mormon in large part because members of my ward helped me with my walk with Christ (they helped me to believe). And as my relationship with God became stronger my desire to become a member of the LDS faith grew. When I needed a blessing or someone to agree with me in prayer it was members of my ward who prayed with me and blessed me. When my family was is a bad financial situation it was the church who helped us (despite only two members of our family being active members). I could go on and on about the examples of members of my local church who looked past the fact that I wasn't a Mormon and wanted to help me become the best Christian I could be even if it meant that I might never join the Church. I loved and respected the Mormon church long before I became member because I saw that the love and the light of Christ shining through so many of the people of my ward. People who looked past the fact that I was operating on incomplete information and just helped me become the best Christian I could be.
  25. 6 points
    Petty, your story is a heartbreaker. We're all praying for you, big time. Our Heavenly Father will never desert or abandon you. He's very proud that you are getting yourself help with counseling and medication. It takes a strong man to do that. Medication makes us better my friend, and like Apostle Holland has said, "There is no shame taking medication for depression-it's like taking medication for high blood pressure." Be sure to communicate with both your bishop and counselor-it seems like you are doing that. Inform them if anything changes, and keep praying my sister.
  26. 6 points
    Lol, I just got a Mormonhub digest in my email and was totally like, "Oh! right!" I'm so sorry friends! My computer died back in November( right before cyber Monday, you know... Thank goodness for tender mercies?) and after that I got a new one and had to immediately move into new apartment right before school started. Then...school started. *makes a stressed yet smiley face* I am blessed for the opportunity to go is all I'll say. It's kind of a cliche to say college is tough anyway. Anyway I missed you all! Even though i forgot about you. What has been going on? Share with your mustardy friend!
  27. 6 points

    Do I hear the Shepherd's Voice?

    Do I hear the Shepherd’s voice? And if I do, do I follow Him? I asked myself these questions when I was studying John 10. Christ said, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.” He tells us we will hear his voice because we will know Him. If we took a step back and honestly asked ourselves how well we knew Jesus, could we answer positively? It is something I have often wondered. So while I hear His voice through promptings, scriptures, prayer, and music, do I genuinely hear and listen? The Jews were stubborn in their ways, and they would not adapt their thinking to believe in Christ. They saw Him perform miracles, testify of His divinity, yet they could not see. There may be things in our lives that will affect our ability to believe Christ and follow Him. Do we honestly see and understand Him for who He is in our lives? Let me share a story that may help to clarify. Since it is Valentine’s Day, let’s talk about chocolates. I wanted to find the perfect box for each of my children so that they could have a gift from my husband and me. I looked at every one on the aisle, and while some were good, they weren’t right. Others were fancy, but not the thing I was looking for. I kept looking on and changed my direction a few times, and finally came to the last aisle. I was still searching and asking myself if that chocolate gift was right. Somehow I just couldn’t decide on one. As far-fetched as it sounds, I found the perfect box at the end of the last row. It was just the right size, price, look and the chocolates inside I knew would be delicious. Each chocolate was separate and gave my children choices of what they might have; I knew they would love them! As silly as this sounds, I was patient in this story and, I wasn’t giving up. I did not settle for the mediocre candy that looks good but tastes cheap on the inside. I was seeking, searching and waiting until I found them. In my mind, I had the idea I wouldn’t buy any if I couldn’t find a decently good gift, it wouldn’t be worth it. Isn’t this how we seek the Savior, always owing to our conscience to keep waiting and watching? We would never settle for any common or ordinary thing in life to satisfy our profound demands for acceptance and love from our Savior. So we watch and wait, always seeking and asking for Him in our lives. We will all be rewarded at the end if we hold out faithful to the end. Endurance is the most significant test of our time. There are so many distractions and false gods that we have to hold true to our testimony and belief in Jesus Christ. We keep seeking and listening for His voice. He is there, waiting for us. But we also need to be tested for our valiancy to Him. I will always be grateful to Him in my life, although, I have a long way to becoming what He needs me to be, I am seeking, asking and waiting.
  28. 6 points
    I think that @for_our_experience needs to be very careful what he says to his children about gay couples raising children or their lifestyle in general (no matter what their age is), it wouldn't go down very well for him from a legal standpoint and may cost him future time with his children, it could also put them off the church too by making them feel that they have to choose between their mother and their father and the church. I was divorced (annulled) and my ex-husband had some very questionable (illegal) habits and just immoral ways about him, he was also very violent towards me, he never put my son first in anything. I never said a bad word about him to my son, I never discouraged him from spending time with him (or his revolving door of wives and girlfriends! ARhhhhh). It was really hard, I just didn't want him around any of that, he would drink every night, smoked, smoked things other than cigarettes as well. My son is 18 now and choses not to spend time with his father, he sees him for what he is now, but that was his path to work out, not mine. I kept him regularly attending church and encouraged a strong faith in him (we are presently Catholic, investigating LDS) which I think really helped him. I tried to focus on giving him positive role models (saints, his karate teacher, his step father and other strong family men at church). He's old enough to ask me questions now, which I answer truthfully when he does. And if bad mouthing the other parent damages the child or not, the greater point is that it will damage your relationship with them, no kid wants to hear their father speak badly about their mother or her lifestyle choices or the other way around, its just going to turn your own child against you.
  29. 6 points
    I was at a conference on the last day. On the last day of conferences in my discipline, we have the ‘graveyard’ shift. Sessions by people that most attendees are not interested in or on ‘low’ interest topics. The speaker is not told that they or their topic is a dud but Veteran attendees know that their hugely expensive and time-hog of a project seriously sucks. i was feeling rather sad and small as my paper had been assigned one step up from graveyard. Consequently, I was still at the conference on the last session of the last day when the ‘real’ professors were off touring vineyards and discussing their plans to collect data with NASA. (I hate the NASA people. More $ than they know what to do with and they have to mention NASA in every sentence of every conversation). To cheer myself up, I decided to take the advice of a recent sacrament speaker and pray to ask God if there was an errand that I should perform. I felt inspired to walk down some corridors. I entered a nearly empty room with 50 empty chairs and three women, one of them in tears. I walked to the front of the room, my footsteps echoing, and sat down. The older lady, a professor, ,looked very relieved to see me. She addressed me in French and gave the title of the talk and asked if I had seen the talk advertised. I replied in halting French , which I had not used in years, that I had studied this subject for my PhD. The professor nodded in satisfaction. It became clear that an anxious PhD student was about to give her first official public address on her PhD thesis as a means of practicing for her formal defence. Those swinish Anglos were obviously too indifferent to attend (the talk was advertised in French with a French title at an English conference so no, no one was interested and thus the paper was assigned the graveyard slot). The professor informed me, in French, that we would first hear the paper and then I would be asking questions. In my rusty french, I asked if I could ask questions in English. I received a look like a block of ice and was firmly told that as a student was presenting obviously, the questions would be delivered in the student’s language of preference. The petite prof drew herself up to her full height of 5’ 3” and told me that she was sure that I would have NO trouble. (It amazes me that in my country both the French and the Anglo’s are convinced that their opposite numbers are fully fluent in the other language but just too inconsiderate to use the REAL language!) Swinish Anglo that I am, I sat down and said a small prayer, hoping for the best. Miraculously I was able to understand and ask some qentle questions while pointing out how important the topic was and how deserving of funding. The French professor was pleased and the young student visibly glowed. Last time in my life, I was able to speak passible French!
  30. 6 points

    Hallway Mormons

    Sure! -Get to know the people in the hall. Don't ask why they are in the hall, just get to know them. How long have they been members? Are they new to the area? What are their jobs? Do they have big families? Do they like sports? Music? Invite them to dinner or something maybe. -Make the classes interesting. Sorry people, but sometimes classes are boring. Make them interactive. Use pop culture references. Smile. Call on people to answer questions, even the quiet ones so they feel like they have contributed. -Focus on the positives. No one wants to hear fire and brimstone every week. If you make people feel loved and appreciated you'll be amazed what they can do, and therefore they'll add more to the classes.
  31. 6 points

    Hallway Mormons

    There was a time when I was working through somethings that I found church very painful...to the point that I could be found in the bathroom crying every Sunday. It's a wonder I kept going to church. But I believed (and still do) that that is where the Lord wanted me to be. So I perservered. After talking to my Bishop about the situation, he gave me a calling in the library so I had some excuse not to be in class. You never know why people are in the hall, I think it's great that they are at church at all.
  32. 6 points

    Hallway Mormons

    There are a ton of reasons. Spiritual reasons: Some folks are struggling to be there. Some folks don't want to be there at all, but show up for various reasons. Or are apathetic. Or feel like outcasts. Or, as you mention, are addicted to the internet and their devices. Health reasons: Some folks have colds and don't want anyone to catch it. Or people have colds, and they don't want to catch it. Some have mental health issues and don't do well in crowds or classrooms. In my ward, there are two that have chemical sensitivities, and rarely even make it into the building. They are as active and faithful as their health allows them to be. Practical reasons: Foyers are a blessing to folks with young kids learning to behave, or throwing fits.
  33. 6 points

    Hallway Mormons

    I was a hallway Mormon for awhile. The Sunday School teacher was this old man who would just get up and drone on about how horrible life is, every single Sunday. I found it very depressing and I certainly wasn't feeling the Spirit in that class, so I would sneak into my wife's primary class and listen to her lesson. And then there was the EQ teacher who would openly question Church leadership during his lessons . . . Maybe your ward's teachers are that bad . . .
  34. 6 points
    We should be teaching our kids good choices. Not forcing them to say yes. With bullying so rampant with young kids today what if one of these young men who had been bullying one of the girls decides to ask her to dance knowing she can't say no. Then uses the opportunity to further mock or bully? I just see so many things wrong with this rule. Plus what others have mentioned. How are we teaching our young women to say no when the need arises? If I had a child going to this school, my child (daughter or son) would not be attending this dance.
  35. 6 points
    Exactly my thoughts. It takes away their freedom to choose. Inclusivity would mean inviting everyone to the dance, not forcing everyone to dance with people they may not want to.
  36. 6 points
    Does that mean you'll stop judging your bishop? Does that mean you've stopped judging God? Does that mean it's ok for Heavenly Mother to be married to such a tyrant?
  37. 6 points
    I know nothing about cars and I can barely pump my own gasoline, much less do anything else. Right after returning home from the funeral of one of my closest friends back in September of last year, LG and I decided to go to Tampa for a night out. We got in the car and something told me to stay local (Tampa is an hour and half drive away from me). I don't know what it was, because we both wanted to go to Tampa that night. We went out to Ocala instead, about a half hour away. On the way out from the restaurant, I saw that I had a flat tire-I was stunned. Logically I know it was probably just luck. But my friend knew a lot about cars, and I think either he or the Lord was telling me to stay local that night. It was without question one of the most spiritual moments of my life. it's weird though-The Lord telling me not to go to Tampa but instead stay local? For all I know, I could have been driving on the highway, had a tire blowout, and gotten into a serious car accident. LG and I have talked about it a lot since then.
  38. 6 points
    Latter-day Saints keep on trying. They don’t assume that, because a commandment happens to be really hard, it no longer applies to them; and they don’t demand to be mollycoddled in their little (or big) acts of willful rebellion.
  39. 6 points
    3a. It is not ONLY children in a same-sex marriage that are barred from baptism until maturity. The Church also has a similar prohibition on the children of polygamists.
  40. 6 points
    I'm not just a Mormon, I'm a follower of Bill:
  41. 6 points
    I've come to realize that we Evangelicals should have been and must be oh so careful in lobbing the secular accusations of the world against faith groups we may disagree with on doctrine. The same salvos can be tossed at any church that practices rigorous Christianity, and we would offer the same response. You're spot on.
  42. 6 points
    In Peter's vision, he was told to preach to all people-- and he did. Those people accepted the Gospel and were cleansed/changed by the Lord. I would love for all people to do that too- that all people would accept the Gospel and were cleansed/changed by the Lord. But accepting a person what has been cleansed by the Lord is VERY different than accepting unrepentant sin that the Lord has declared filthy. Yes, we are going to do everything possible to encourage people to come unto Christ, repent, and be cleansed by Him.
  43. 6 points
    I think you’re pretty much right as to the US. It’s always dangerous to generalize; but my experience is that in states that recognize common-law marriage, you still have to go to a judge or court clerk and ask for an order that the elements of a common-law marriage have been met. You can ask for the finding to be retroactive; but technically—until you’ve actually gotten the order signed, you aren’t married (I did this once as a lawyer in Utah for a polygamous wife who wanted a divorce property settlement from her husband whom she had never legally married—it worked, but the husband’s not objecting probably had a lot to do with it). I do think @changed has a point, in a roundabout way. The same efforts we’re making to “understand the experience” of gay Mormons, should really be made to “understand the experience” of a number of other marginalized sub-communities within Mormonism; including prisoners, convicts, addicts, pedophiles, and the mentally ill. Because all of those folks also have very difficult, often-lonely roads to walk within Mormonism.
  44. 6 points

    Forgiveness and degrees of glory

    Just a mod note here: The moderating staff is extremely sensitive to the prospect of the temple ceremony being debated/picked apart on this forum. As we all know, the temple ceremonies are heavily symbolic; have many layers of meaning; and are to be understood by revelation. They certainly were not intended for use as a bludgeon to try to force others into conformity with our preferred doctrinal perspectives; or to darkly hint that modern Church leadership is somehow in error for failing to adopt our own pet interpretations. Temple ceremony elements, referred to in a general way, might be edifying in confirming a doctrinal point that has already been supported through other sources. But if we can’t argue a position without referring to (our interpretation of) the temple ceremony; we probably shouldn’t be arguing it at all. (And yes, I know I’ve done this myself in the past. I’m trying to repent; and feel free to call me on it if I cross any lines going forward.)
  45. 6 points


    This will be my first week. Last Sunday I received the Priesthood and was set apart. I've done a considerable amount of training and teaching, but this is different. When I've taught in the past it was on subjects I knew well. I'm the new guy, now. We're a small ward, so most of the people in Principles class are long-time members who know far more than I do. I'm also pretty nervous. Sometimes the class gets into really deep topics. When I was an investigator, this caused me a few problems while developing a testimony. I have MY view of what Gospel Principles should be and I'd like to work towards that. I just don't want to ruffle feathers along the way. If you never see me again, you know it went poorly.
  46. 6 points
    I'd be interested in seeing the video. I get nervous when anything takes place that gives the impression of support or condoning sinful behavior.
  47. 6 points
    Can we really expect an unlearned man to be able to tell if something like that was real or fake just by looking at it? Joseph Smith only knew the Gold Plates were real because they were delivered by an Angel and the Holy Spirit testified they were true. Joseph Smith is only purported to have translated one single character from the plates that looked kind of like a boat which he instantly recognized from his compilation of already translated characters called the GAEL. He did not seek revelation, nor did he translate it using the Gift and Power of God, nor did he claim to do so. How would this have any bearing on his ability to translate? Joseph Smith never had the ability to translate, he had the Gift and Power of God when he needed it and sought it, to use for the purposes of translation, or as directed by the Lord. So obviously if he goes off and does something on his own without inquiring of the Lord, he's not going to come up with something that is entirely accurate. Likewise, if you gave me a paper and I glanced at it and only translated one word or sentence from Spanish to English, you would only know that much about it. Think about the minions from the Despicable Me franchise. Their language is mostly fake gibberish, but includes fragments of real words in various languages, if I were to translate those and say that they said [x thing] I could be right about that one word without having any clue what they actually were trying to say. That wouldn't mean I can't translate in the appropriate context, nor would it mean I make things up fictitiously. @NeuroTypical beat me to the additional resource links
  48. 6 points

    Forgiveness and degrees of glory

    In the Church, we tend to default to thinking of the kingdoms of glory as places. But what if the key issue isn’t where people go, but what they become? And what if what they become is less a matter of divine fiat, and more a natural product of the choices and priorities and testimonies that people produced during their lifetimes? Could it be that—at a certain point in our progression—God can fully forgive us while still not having the power to change us beyond a certain point?
  49. 6 points
    I thought it was a fairly accurate summary. The Church even took the extraordinary step of naming the so-called "Dreamers" when they wrote: I'm always a little bit uncomfortable when I find myself on the same side as the US political left. In my experience, that means there's a good chance I'm an idiot. But in this case, as in a select few others, I think the knee-jerk "conservatives" on the right are missing the boat. (No pun intended.) The fact that the Church appears to agree with me solidifies my confidence in this particular position, even if media types and other leftists agree with me.
  50. 6 points
    I'm not the most humble person in the world, but I have always wanted to be more knowledgeable. Probably because I'm not as humble as I should be. To be knowledgeable, you must ask questions and truly listen. That's the hard part, TRULY listening. Then anything that I don't understand I research, which raises more questions. Then the answers to THOSE questions require more research. I guess the answer is talking with people, being forthright with my questioning, attending church, and prayer. Even then, for most of my testimony I didn't have a flash/bang moment. It's like my relationship with my wife. I always knew I loved her, but one day I realized I LOVED her. There was no flash/bang moment. However, I believe God rewards effort. You need to put in the time. You need to earn it. If he just ran around handing out testimonies, it wouldn't be much of a test. I didn't have a conviction to the church until I listened to all the advice people on this forum had been giving me for months. Live the WoW. Pray. Live the Law of Chastity. Study. BE what He wants you to be and you'll know it is true.