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      Mormon Hub Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting   04/17/08

        Any views expressed on Mormon Hub are independent of and do not represent the views of Mormon Hub, More Good Foundation, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Site Rules 1. Do not post, upload, or otherwise submit anything to the site that is derogatory towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings, or its leaders. Anti-LDS Propaganda will not be tolerated anywhere. 2. Please be conscious of the fact that although Mormon Hub is aimed towards an LDS audience, that the membership of this site consists of friends from an array of different backgrounds, beliefs, and cultures. Please be respectful and courteous to all, and know that everyone who is willing to follow the Rules and Terms of Mormon Hub are welcome to participate and be a member of Mormon Hub. Keep in mind that anything posted, uploaded, or otherwise displayed on the site should be understandable to friends of other faiths as well as to members. 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The law states, in effect, that no one acting on behalf of the nonprofit can intervene directly or indirectly in the election process by endorsing a political candidate. Any post that speaks favorably about one candidate, even in a religious context, can be construed as indirect intervention in the election process. While journalists are presently exempt from this provision, bloggers and forum-members are not. 12. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this site to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. 13. You will not use this site to solicit the sale of any product, service or website. You will not use this site to promote a money making venture or contest. 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    This is Kathrynne, who joined us on Monday.
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    Sexual sins HAVE to be confessed to the Bishop.
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    So anyways today for my lesson in Elders Quorum I decided I would bring my class a treat from my mission - Belgian Stroopwaffels. I passed them out in their original containers and everyone got one. About halfway up the class, a class member noticed the small print on the bottom of the package - "MADE WITH BOURBON VANILLA". Fail...
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    I'd like this a thousand times if I could. I don't know what happened, or how the balance of accountabilities between you and your ex ought to shake out. But if the circumstances *were* tantamount to rape, at some point you're going to want an inspired leader involved in your recovery efforts; and if they *weren't*--human beings have an uncanny way of building false and destructive paradigms around their sexual choices, which is why we are asked to chat with our bishops when we make a wrong turn. It's not really about being punished; it's about getting back on track. If it helps, think of it as "therapy" rather than "confession".
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    To quote President Uchtdorf, Stop it. If things are "fairly boring" with your wife, make them interesting - seriously, just do it. Stop interacting with the woman at church. No more games. No more teasing. Civility and politeness when public interaction is required, avoidance otherwise. When you start having thoughts about this other woman, replace them with something better. It is seriously that simple. (Simple is not the same as easy.)
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    I guess meltdown is a pretty appropriate term in this instance. (Thank you, I'm here all week)
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    It's interesting to me that we have a bunch of guys talking about how bad feminism is
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    The first presidency disagreed with RMGuy and you: “Church members who have been clothed with the garment in the temple have made a covenant to wear it throughout their lives." https://www.lds.org/ensign/2002/03/prepare-for-blessings-of-the-temple?lang=eng
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    You and your former boyfriend both need to confess this sin and work through the repentance process with the bishop - no matter how scary it may seem, no matter how much you may think you can do it alone, it cannot be done without the help of the Lord's agent for such things. Everything will be much better as soon as you start this process. The bishop is not going to tell anyone what you confess - it is something he must keep to himself.
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    The sisters in my ward set up an informal "Sisters of the X Ward" facebook page. Lots of us brothers are members, half because our wives don't do facebook and they want us to tell them what's happening, half because it's a great resource for free stuff as the sisters clean house but don't want to do a yard sale. One of the sisters posted, asking if any other sister wants to take a conceal carry class with her. Apparently she's having a hard time finding a lady to go with her, because so many of the sisters already have their permits.
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    I feel sorry for the twelve year old, but the ward leadership did the right thing by cutting off her mic. If I walked up there and talked about my love of weed and booze they'd probably do the same thing. People are going to use this a stick to beat the church with. What bothers me is I've seen some people say the church violated her "free speech" rights. First off, she's a minor and doesn't have free speech rights and second, you don't have free speech rights in a church!
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    As someone who is hearing impaired I would like reinforce your point and to point out that society does not "Accept" my hearing impairment. Society demands that I step up and compensate for my weakness and become "normal". I have to put my hearing aids in every day, I have to maintain functioning of the devices see to their repair and replacement and tons of other stuff just to try to reach normal. Those who are completely deaf have to learn to "hear" with their eyes through sign language and lip reading... The only things Society "offers" us when they find out about it... is understanding that it is harder for us, a chance to try again, and some tools that we need to learn to use. And I am ok with that, and everything the church teaches us point to us needing to treat all human weakness in this manner... including homosexuality
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    Sen. Bernie Sanders grilled Russell Vought, nominee for Deputy Director of the Office of Budget and Management, on his religious beliefs—specifically, that Jesus is the only way for salvation—and then declared he would vote against Vought, because of those beliefs. Law experts say the senator clearly violates the spirit of the U.S. Constitution, which allows for no religious testing of candidates for public office, but that senators may approve or reject whoever they want, for whatever reasons. Given that Sanders publicly interrogated Vought on his beliefs, and then openly said that he would reject the candidate because of his religious convictions I wonder. I am no lawyer, but to my untrained eyes and ears, Vought was given a religious test, and the senator declared that he had failed it, and so would be rejected. This is where Social Justice Warriors embrace the postmodernism milieu. If there is no ultimate truth, then all interactions are based on power. It matters not that Islam says God has no son, and whoever says he does is an infidel. Nor is it a concern that the Talmud declares Jesus a false prophet. To Sanders, Muslims and Jews are powerless, while Christians have power. So, it is not inconsistent to condemn and reject Christians, while given minority faith groups a pass on their claims to exclusive truth. People of faith do well to obey the Apostle Paul’s admonition to pray for those in authority. Spiritual contention in the public square never ends well. God-seekers get divided, pitted against one another, and then ended doing ungodly actions in the name of defending the faith and the faithful. Fast, pray, meditate, and seek ever after God. Perhaps most pertinent during this season where there may be a few winners, but in which there will surely be many losers, remember that vengeance belongs to God. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sanders-vs-vought-postmodernism-religious-faith-truth-tommy-ellis
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    I do. And yes, we are a shrinking minority. But we are still right. And if we die out completely, it will not be because we are wrong. It will be because the world rejected truth. By the way, men also belong in the home. As President McKay taught, no success -- NO success, however glorious -- can compensate for failure in the home. It is the one area where we can make an eternal difference, that ten million million centuries from now, when our sun is a cool, dead cinder, will still have enormous and lasting impact. Those people, male or female, who choose their work career (or anything else) in preference to nurturing their family -- meaning spouse and children, siblings and parents -- are trading their eternal birthright for a mess of cold pottage. Please do not allow anyone using sophistic arguments about female emancipation or career building to deceive you. What they are telling you is a lie, even if they honestly believe it to be true. It is not true. It is deception, even if everyone believes it. Choose what is right; let the consequence follow. Peter stayed true to his faith even as the Romans crucified him upside down. Peter instructed the Saints who were in imminent danger of the same fate to take courage and do what is right, regardless of the consequences. Let us, who are threatened not with death, but merely with the scorn and derision of a wicked world, show the same courage.
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    I think you are worried about the wrong thing. Who cares what everyone else will think? You probably won't even be around them anymore in five years. (Besides, bishop sessions are kept in strict confidentiality, and if I understand correctly the bishop can be disciplined for any breaches of this confidentiality). Good Mormons are supposed to not gossip or judge anyhow. What matters is what the LORD thinks. Your salvation is at risk, and you are taking a terrible, terrible chance by not confessing sexual sins Don't risk winding up in the Telestial kingdom. Go to the bishop and repent the right way.
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    I just wish people would use some sense when talking with others sometimes and avoid painful topics. I remember, right out of law school, I went through a period of unemployment. I remember sitting in Elders' Quorum one day during this time period. This guy sits down next to me and is like, "Are you new here?" (No, I had been in the ward for five years at this point). He asks, "what do you do for a living?" I explained I just took the bar exam and was looking for a job. He then says, "Well, I considered law school and I could have gotten in anywhere I wanted, but I did my research and found that there just aren't any jobs to be had and lots of student debt. So, I went and got an MBA instead, and now I am making six figures." I am not making this up - this is what he said to me, knowing full well I was unemployed. For all of you Jane Austen fans, it was very Mr. Collins of him. In retrospect, I should have offered him a medal then and there for his flawless life choices. People, please think before you open your mouths. . .
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    Why does an explanation need to go with? Why not simply, "none". The end. If they pursue it, something like, "Thank you for your concern, but this is a personal matter." To say something more personal (like that you don't like / want children) is to invite more personal inquiry. If you want to avoid personal inquiry, don't say anything personal. Alternately, there's the fine art of diversion: Nosy-Sister: "How many children do you have?" You: "None. How about you?" Nosy-Sister: "We have 6.34. Why don't you have children?" (aside: how anyone can ask that is beyond me) You: (ignoring her question entirely) "Oh what are their names, ages, interests, schools, IQs? Which one is the best? Which one can't do anything right to save his life? Did you ever leave one behind at the gas station? I bet it would be really hard for witness protection to hide a family that large. You do avoid witnessing organized crime, don't you?" Nosy-Sister: [nigh on eternal gushing about her children; or left speechless by the organized crime question] You: "Excuse me, I need to find the lady's room."
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    @Just_A_Guy I guess that might be the heart of the issue. I've struggled with blaming my father for driving my brother from the church. I was at his son's baptism. His Bishop gushed about how well my brother was doing, what a joy it was to have his kind spirit in their ward. Just a few months before, he'd born his testimony while visiting our home ward (his former ward for 20 years), and he literally had the congregation in tears with his powerful story of returning to the church. As I mentioned, my brother has mental health issues. He's prone to bouts of severe depression, suicidal thoughts, and severe anxiety. My father knew this and CRUSHED him anyway. It goes so much beyond him simply feeling offended. In that moment, he didn't feel LOVED, and maybe never has again. I have no doubt my brother thought it was okay to stand in the circle. I guess I'm just trying to see things from my father's perspective. It's such a stupid little thing that's representative of a much greater problem in our family. And yes, my father thought my brother wasn't worthy. He was always hung up on having a grandchild born out of wedlock. Anyway, thank you all. I appreciate your input. I've carefully read every word of every comment and will consider them deeply. I've begun to realize this episode has secretly damaged my own testimony, as the doubt feeds on the areas where I am spiritually the weakest. Time to bow my head and ponder....
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    What you are saying is technically true. We should carefully choose our spouse because of the effect they will have upon our destiny. However, I offer the forum a cautionary tale about strict checklists regarding choosing a wife. I knew a man once many years ago who had a checklist for the ideal wife. He said he would absolutely never marry a girl who was overweight, too short, too tall, too this, too that, or had any baggage whatsoever. Never mind the fact that this guy was not particularly handsome or charming, he felt like he deserved the perfect wife. Several girls in the singles ward were interested in dating him, and over and over he trampled on their feelings, rejecting them because they weren't fit enough, or weren't this, or weren't that. Well, this guy never found his ideal trophy wife. He is now 40 years old, still single and still alone, and now much less attractive than he once was. I am not sure he has ever been in a serious relationship. I know his choice of wife is no one's business but his own. However, I can't help but to feel sorry for the guy - he kind of blew it. His foolish pride was his own downfall. So, while I would admonish everyone to be careful about who they marry, I would warn away from pride. Instead, I would advise people to be kind, be charitable, be (reasonably) open minded, and put decisions such as who to marry in the hands of the Lord (and follow whatever the Lord would direct).
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    I think many of us are relieved when we get that response rather than the endlessly unreturned phone calls!
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    I worked one summer mowing he golf courses of the Palm Springs valley. It was 90+ at 4:30 a.m.as I went to work. It cracked 110 before 9:00 a.m. and often was 115-120 by 10:00 a.m. (127 was the hottest day). Me and my garments never suffered heat stroke. Discomfort yes, but I could have been wearing tightie whiteies and had the same discomfort. The garment is a part of our covenants, as is wearing them "24/7". Making excuses not to wear them is breaking that covenant. There can be legitimate reasons for not wearing them at times, but I'm hearing excuses and justifications in this thread.
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    If this is true, why come ask a bunch of strangers on the internet what they think? When I am doing something I know God approves of, I am completely at peace and more confident than words can describe. I have no need to tell anyone what I'm doing, ask others' opinions, get their reassurance, etc. I just do what I know is right, without fear. Your posts here don't reflect that. Meanwhile, back to # 7, what was the sequence: A) Don't wear the garments 24/7, then ask if doing that is OK OR B) Wear the garments 24/7, then receive revelation that you can wear them less often I submit that it makes a difference.
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    Have you tried choosing not to hate them? I mean, I realize there are some inconveniences with wearing the garment--sometimes significant ones depending on climate, skin conditions, fashion options, etc--but hate is an awfully strong word. I assume you're familiar with Elder Carlos Asay's article on the garment from some years back, which is still often cited in these sorts of discussions. Assuming that to be the case, I say this with all the love and respect possible for a random co-traveler in Christ whom I only just now met on the internet: you know darned well what the counsel means. Follow it, or not; but don't sully your integrity by pretending that the Church means something other than what it has repeatedly said it means.
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    Wait - "push it onto me" - were you raped? Because that's what someone says when they're claiming they didn't want to do what ended up happening. Please be very careful with your answer here. It could have life-altering repercussions for both you and your ex boyfriend. And yes, regardless of your answer to my question, absolutely you need to go see your bishop over this.
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    I know you are nervous right now, and I understand that. Just remember that God loves you no matter what you might have done, and He is not going to stop loving you. You can confess to the bishop and you will be able to move on. We're praying for you! Everything will be fine.
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    "Ah, a securities trader! My kind put your kind in prison, you know . . ."
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    My thoughts: If you're going to hijack a testimony meeting with your planned attempt at a media event, complete with prepared speech and hidden cameras, you don't get to play the victim card. My thoughts: Shame on this girl's mother for using her daughter as a pawn to advance her critical agenda. They even invited the guy who sneaks in to the temple and records our temple ceremonies. Here's what that guy had to say on Reddit: “I offered to edit and distribute the video as well as promote the hell out of it. I’ve spent at least 40 hours in the past ten days editing and promoting the video to every media contact I’ve made (and a lot of new ones).” My thoughts: Don't fall for a carefully crafted marketing campaign intended to make mormons look bad for picking on a poor innocent 12 yr old struggling with her identity.
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    There are consequences to every decision. The commandment is to multiply and replenish the earth. You decided on not having children. People proselyting for you to multiply and replenish the earth is a consequence to that decision. Just take it for what it is and move on. You can CHOOSE NOT to be offended. It's the same for people who choose to dye their hair with all 7 colors of the rainbow. People will stare, people will think you're a rebel, people will think you're an attention-starved person, people will think it's cool, and people will get offended (there's always something to be offended about including somebody culturally appropriating clown hair). You can choose to be offended by their reactions or you can choose to have patience with those who are just not that savvy about somebody going against the norm. I for one will be one of those who would say - man! You should have children! And that's because I have 2 children and they make me so happy that I wish everybody could experience this kind of happiness.
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    My cousin posted the video and stated something to like, " I love the Mormon church and it's teaching but can not stand by an support them while they continue to shutdown and exclude others" Basically it was her coming out statement that she was no long an active member of the church. I wish I had this article because I would have replied with it, it says exactly what I wanted to say, in the end I decided to scroll past and not add fuel to her fire. I actually feel bad for Savannah. I feel her parents used her for their agenda. From the article, "As this girl’s parents know, Fast and Testimony meeting isn’t a place for giving speeches, which is what she did. She had her speech all written out and read it from the pulpit. I wish her parents had talked with her more about appropriate forums and venues. This isn’t about whether a girl is struggling with her sexuality, or about how a Church leader handled it. This is a clear case of hijacking a meeting, promoting false teachings, and exploiting a child’s inexperience to create a media event. Savannah was likely allowed to say much more from the pulpit than an adult would have been allowed to say." The parents wanted to make a statement they knew they would get more sympathy if a 12 year old was asked to sit down verses an adult being asked to. They knew what would happen and they didn't protect their daughter. Too many parents now use their kids as pawns to their political or controversial views.
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    I am also pro mission... As a father that has a son who will not be serving a full time proselyting mission due to medical reasons... The church does offer alternative forms of missionary service. My Stake President and Bishop are working with us to craft a Church Service Mission that is with in my son's abilities. There is no reason for an young man to not be discussing with his church leaders about serving. And the only honorable reason not to is if they say no they will not take you. In which case then you are honorably dismissed by God's chosen.servants
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    Homosexual behavior Homosexuality is a natural and not uncommon psychological and physical condition in human beings (and other animals). Persecuting, hurting, threatening, or even making fun of people for their homosexual tendencies is indecent, antisocial, destructive, and immoral. Anyone who says anything against the (newly established) orthodoxy of homosexuality being perfectly acceptable is evil and should be excluded from decent society, by force of law if necessary. Abortion Because of their unique role as creators of life, women throughout history have often been subjected to unfair and even evil treatment. Western society agrees that human beings, and not the state, should have control over their own bodies. A fetus doesn't qualify as human because it cannot live outside its mother's body, so therefore a woman should be allowed to destroy her fetus at any time and for any reason. Anyone who disagrees with this is "anti-choice" and is trying to deprive women of their rights of self-determination. Gender Sex (or "gender") is determined by chromosomes and by gene expression. Some (small percentage of) people are chromosomally sexually ambiguous, and some (very small percentage) reflect a gene expression that does not always match up with their chromosome structure. Gender roles are to some degree a social construct, one which many people tend to cross over at some point or another. "Gender" is completely fluid and has no real relationship to your genetic makeup. Or, equivalently, "gender" doesn't exist. Parenting It is society's duty to help parents rear their children. Some parents abuse their children, sometimes in small ways and sometimes in unspeakable ways. Government has the just power to make sure children meet all societal expectations, regardless of the parents' wishes. Fatherhood Mothers are the disproportionately important parent during pregnancy and the child's first years. Many men abuse or abandon their duties as fathers. Men aren't vital to a child's development and, in many cases, should be excluded from their children's lives. Feminism Historical attitudes about women have often not matched modern Western attitudes. In many cases, women have historically been relegated to a lower social and even legal status. Women are oppressed, and should be legally favored in a great many instances in order to compensate for historical inequities and make up for current societal trends. Psychology The powerful tools of science can be and have been profitably turned to the question of human psychology. People with psychological disturbances have historically been vilified and subjected to inhumane and even appalling treatment. Modern psychology is a mature and reliable science, and the word of psychologists should be relied on in legal and social matters, even (or especially) over the counsel of Church leaders. Reliability of Church leaders Men are imperfect. Church leaders are men. Church leaders should not be trusted, and especially should not be trusted if they say anything that disagrees with the common wisdom. We could play this game all day. It's important to see this phenomenon and to recognize its prevalence around us, and perhaps especially in our own thoughts.
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    If you want to talk about red flags, not liking country music is a red flag for me. I mean, what kind of "spouse" doesn't like Merle Haggard, or Hank Williams, or at least Johnny Cash? Not liking country music is a red flag that there is something seriously wrong, perhaps even evil, about someone. All joking aside, I do agree that people have a right to choose how much baggage they want to deal with in a marriage (and we all have baggage, whether we would like to admit it or not). The thing I would find to be troubling wouldn't be the microeconomics (e.g., @Vort would not want to marry a girl who came from a broken home - it is none of my business what Vort wants in a spouse and I am fine if he doesn't want to marry someone from a broken home, or a blonde, or someone who never went to college, or whatever) but the macroeconomics, that is to say, if everyone decided that children of broken homes should not be marrying good Mormon kids, you would be cutting very good people out of very good blessings over something that is really not their fault. You would create a Mormon underclass, which would be most undesirable indeed. I guess that is where people like me come in. I couldn't care less if a girl came from a broken home - I care about who she currently is. It wouldn't even be a yellow flag for me personally. If we started dating and I realized she likes to fight and quarrel a lot (maybe she learned that from her parents' failed marriage), that may be a red flag. But for DoctorLemon personally, coming from a broken home would not be a dealbreaker.
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    Divorced and remarried guy here. When I got divorced I got primary custody over our four children. I tried to do what I thought was the Christ-like thing and keep my ex updated and used to encourage the kids on holidays to reach out and acknowledge her. I've since remarried and it took 5-6 years to realize it's not my responsibility to maintain a relationship with my ex or to encourage my kids to keep in touch. I moved across the country and she could have easily followed and been a part of her kids lives. But she chose not to. I don't speak ill of my ex wife and listen with a sympathetic ear when the kids feel frustrated about their mom or step mom. It's not my responsibility to make sure anyone gets along. I don't correct anyone's feelings whether or not I think those feelings are are wrong or right. With my ex-wife I feel commanded to be kind but that does not mean an obligation to maintain some kind of relationship. My job is to simply love those who are placed in my path whether by my own choice or by the will of Heavenly Father. Regarding Children of divorce, I honestly think it really depends. They have an opportunity to see and experience, in a way, how a marriage can fail and take steps to ensure success in their own marriages. In my experience those who come from broken families are far from doomed. In my immediate family of 6 kids there are two divorces and in both divorces, myself and my brothers, the parties all came from intact homes. The four remaining marriages that are going strong all involve spouses that come from broken homes. This same trend extends to my cousins as well. The other two divorces were couples who came from intact homes. So I can't agree with yjacket. BTW, my Father was molested for years by his uncle. Nothing even close to that ever occurred in my family. Same with my ex wife, she was never inappropriate with our kids in anyway. Not so certain about the sins visiting on the heads of the children with that atonement thing getting in the way.
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    Agree with you @pam, 10,000%. It's offensive to the millions of people who struggle with depression and do live gospel principles.
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    I'm trying to find a coherent response from anyone, and haven't yet. Elon Musk Tweeted: "Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world." GE's CEO Tweeted: "Climate change is real," Trump's reason for exiting, wasn't that climate change isn't real. His reason for exiting was that the accord wasn't fair to the US, and he promised to engage to get back into some sort of agreement that will be fair. Lots of US businesses are taking the opportunity to reply with PR spin, like Apple CEO's "I want to reassure you that today's developments will have no impact on Apple's efforts to protect the environment." Morgan Stanley, PepsiCo, Walmart, Google, and others, jumping on the "It's good PR to denounce Trump and say we protect the environment" bandwagon. But I don't hear a single good reason why the Paris accord was a good thing, or why we shouldn't have left it.
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    A poll in this regard (as is often the case) is insufficient because it doesn't include all the potential answers/options and is, therefore, leading and ultimately inaccurate. The poll, itself, implies things. Not to mention that the first question speaks of clarity and then the answers are about correctness. Very different things.
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    Ditto to everything Zil said. What I say below is with the assumption that there is no abuse or mistreatment of yourself or the kids, he just isn't living church standards. I trust that before you got married, you prayed and felt that this was the right thing to do. God knew things would turn out like this when he gave you confirmation, and just because it hasn't turned out the way you want doesn't mean that you made a mistake. That is a dangerous and destructive thought. It may be that there is something God wants you to learn from this, or something he wants you to overcome. This may be him putting you through a refining fire to purify your soul. It may be that you are there to be his guide and example and help him make it back onto a gospel path. You may have even promised to do that for him in the pre-existance for all you know. Don't try to push him to do what you want him to do, instead talk with God about what He wants you to do. This might not make sense to you now, but your relationship with your husband is more important than if your husband is doing the right things or not. Honor and praise him for the good things he does, teach your children to respect him as the head of the home, do not withhold love and affection and intimacy because he isn't a faithful Mormon. Feeling nagged, pressured, judged, rejected, etc. will be a big barrier to him coming back. Feeling loved, accepted and respected will open his heart and make it easier for him to come back. No matter how unrealistic the idea of him coming back seems now, it is not hopeless. Pray for him, keep the door open but don't try to push him through it. You are not alone, you have the Bishop, his quorum and quorum presidency, your HTs Also, Elder Uchtdorf is not going to be the next prophet. The next President of the church will be the apostle who has been serving in the 12 the longest, and right now that is Elder Russel M. Nelson. Elder Oaks is next in line after him and there are 3 more after him before you get to Elder Uchtdorf. There is no way to know if he will ever be the President of the Church, but if so it will be a very long time in the future. I assume by 'political' he means what Elder Uchtdorf has said about refugees. He has not said anything about what government policy should be, he as only encouraged compassion and service towards those in need. I know a lot of people read more into that then they should in this political climate.
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    I am a feminist. I am a proud and vocal feminist. It is my feminism that enables the ways in which I help men to break down social norms to help them be more open and expressive, to build more community and support with each other. It was feminism that inspired me to push for more social engagements within my Elders Quorum, building greater unity and trust among my brethren. Feminism is a broad category of social pholosophy. Labelling it all as "bad" because you don't like certain strains of the bandwidth says less about feminism and more about the speaker.
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    This is a sterling example of straining out little gnats while swallowing camels whole. The covenant consists of accepting and living the instructions given. To try to parse out the instructions from the covenant is to try to separate the flour from the sugar in a slice of cake. Yes, felicityswims, you did indeed covenant to wear the garment both night and day. As I said, we are a discussion group, not a judicial panel. Do what you want. But don't come claiming that you are justified in not keeping your covenants, even in relatively small things, and expect us to jump on board and support you in your dishonesty.
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    In your case, you have a made-to-order Princess Bride quote: "Thank you very much for bringing up such a painful memory. While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour some LEMON juice in it? WE'RE CLOSED!!!"
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    Good thing nobody asked what was in the brownies. (You know, the ones imported from Colorado...)
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    For sure! In 2017 there seems to be an atheist onslaught. More and more people are leaving organized religion (sorry, it's true. Look at Europe). But Christians are often too busy fighting with one another to understand that we need each other now more than ever. My biggest fear is that all churches will keep arguing about deck chairs on the Titanic while atheism will continue to rise.
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    Lol Parks & Rec! Go Ron Swanson!
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    Well, well. I present actual definitions of words with sound logical statements. And you begin your response with a rhetorical brushing off. Such skill. Such nonsense. And again, such sophistry. I'm all for that. But that isn't what you're doing. When you say "there's something wrong with us." That is saying there is something wrong with us. That doesn't separate us from our sin. That's equating us with our sin. So, let's be consistent. There's nothing wrong with us. There's nothing wrong with them. We can all go about with nothing wrong and be totally blissfully unaware of our weaknesses because God will take care of everything else. Gee, what philosophy does that sound like? No, there is something wrong with us. There is something wrong with them. But what are we doing about it? Based on the actual definitions, that is incorrect. If a child has autism (which I believe we can all agree is most often not their fault) I have no problem saying "that child ain't right." Or even "There's something wrong with that kid." If a teenager doesn't show proper respect or has a propensity towards theft and bully behavior, I say,"That kid's messed up." But for some reason when someone has SSA, it is all of a sudden "wrong" for us to say "That is wrong."
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    I once went to a wealth building seminar where they told us that even if we see a random penny on the ground, we should pick it up, raise it up and say to God,"I'm rich, I'm rich, I'm rich! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!" This morning I was getting out of my car at work and found a penny right outside the car door. Bemused at the memory of the seminar advice, I picked it up and said."I'm rich." And I got no further. FLASHBACK: The other day I saw the usual pan-handlers on the way from work to home. I noticed that even this beggar had clean skin and looked like he'd eaten something everyday. What a wondrous land of milk and honey we live in where even the beggars here fare better than many average folks in truly poverty stricken countries. TODAY: I truly am rich, I thought. I have clean decent clothing. I have a dependable car to get me to and from work. I have a home that protects me from the elements -- no matter how much I complain about its run-down condition. I have a full belly every day. I have a family who loves me. I took the time to consider each and every person living under my roof. I am truly thankful for each and every one of them. And then I gave thanks that I have been given the blessing of knowing that I have a Savior who allows me to follow Him on the path back to our Heavenly Father. I honestly can't think of a more profound moment of thanks in all my life -- all due to finding a random penny on the ground. By small and simple things...
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    I think individuals have a right to say "this is not the sort of baggage I am able/willing to carry". I wonder how this discussion would be different if the gender roles were reversed. Would we tell a young LDS woman that she had a moral obligation to seriously consider marriage to a young temple-worthy man who, in a past life, had--say--worked in the porn industry? Or, had done five years in prison for gang-related manslaughter?
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    Drugs are spread in public schools. For this reason I'd like my children to spend less time there. We've had children attend public school for kindergarten and first grade but not after that. Homeschooling is our method of eduction. I fear that junior high is a horrible, horrible environment for my children to be avoided at all costs. It's not because of the education. It's because of the students. The amount of time spent in school is of little concern compared to other matters. Our school system is getting a bad rap. I didn't attend any special private school or have any special after school programs during high school. My normal public high school offered many advanced placement classes which I took full advantage of. I graduated high school in 1999 fully ready to attend BYU, which I did. The point here is that there is some really good education happening in public schools. Yes there are many problems. Yes the public schooling system fails on many accounts. But it's not all bad. My aunt has been teaching in public schools for decades. Her opinion is that the parents are primarily to blame. This I tend to agree with. The parents don't teach their children true principles. They don't teach the gospel. They don't emphasize education and learning in the home. I lived in South Korea. Those families value education much more than we Americans do. It's not the public schooling there that makes the education levels so high--it's the parents sending their children to tutoring and intensive after school programs. It's a cultural thing, not a public school thing. When liberals compare our public school system in favor of the Swedish (or was it Finland or Norway?) system, they might have a point but they're missing the main point entirely. The problem is that parents blame the public school system while at the same time relinquishing their stewardship over their children's education. If Ameican parents as a whole took full responsibility over their children's education (and I'm not just referring to a secular education) then our education as a whole would correspondingly improve.
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    How dare you, madam. How DARE you, I say!
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    So you're really trying to tell me that increasing the time of lousy education will magically make that education useful? You're telling me that young kids can magically sit for hours doing mindless work and that they don't need free play or family time? That they can do this and it will bring down behavior problems instead of increasing them?