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      Mormon Hub Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting   04/17/08

        Any views expressed on Mormon Hub are independent of and do not represent the views of Mormon Hub, More Good Foundation, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Site Rules 1. Do not post, upload, or otherwise submit anything to the site that is derogatory towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings, or its leaders. Anti-LDS Propaganda will not be tolerated anywhere. 2. Please be conscious of the fact that although Mormon Hub is aimed towards an LDS audience, that the membership of this site consists of friends from an array of different backgrounds, beliefs, and cultures. Please be respectful and courteous to all, and know that everyone who is willing to follow the Rules and Terms of Mormon Hub are welcome to participate and be a member of Mormon Hub. Keep in mind that anything posted, uploaded, or otherwise displayed on the site should be understandable to friends of other faiths as well as to members. Please define any LDS vocabulary that friends of other faiths may not understand (i.e. Mutual, Relief Society, and Deacon.) 3. Personal attacks, name calling, flaming, and judgments against other members will not be tolerated. 4. No bickering and nit-picking toward others. Realize that sometimes it is very difficult to be able to express how one feels through written words. Please be courteous and ask for a further explanation, rather then trying to attack and find holes in someone else's post. 5. No cursing or crude language. Any swearing, including filter skipping, will result in an automatic one week suspension. 6. Posting issues you have with a moderator or administrator anywhere on the site will not be allowed. Please follow the chain of authority if you have any concerns. Any such posts will be removed and the poster will be subject to the consequences of breaking the rules. 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The law states, in effect, that no one acting on behalf of the nonprofit can intervene directly or indirectly in the election process by endorsing a political candidate. Any post that speaks favorably about one candidate, even in a religious context, can be construed as indirect intervention in the election process. While journalists are presently exempt from this provision, bloggers and forum-members are not. 12. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this site to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. 13. You will not use this site to solicit the sale of any product, service or website. You will not use this site to promote a money making venture or contest. 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    Hi workingonit - you are welcome here. Sounds like you're building the kingdom by taking the necessary steps to cleanse yourself of past transgressions. That's a worthy endeavor. Do you know how many people just never confess to stuff, just carry it around with them? A lot. But you're doing the hard work. Kudos.
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    I can pretty much agree with all of that, except women do creepy, controlling, or sometimes evil things too. I don't think this is a gender thing as much as it is an immaturity, selfishness, and lack of self control thing. The whole "we're meant to be and you need to realize it too" thing isn't unique to men at all. I've heard stories of this from women who believe the marriage was foreordained, or had the powerful prompting, or believe they promised themselves to each other in the preexistence, or whatever. Yes - women do it too. There's also a particularly evil "get a missionary sent home early" game enjoyed in some social circles.
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    SALT LAKE CITY — The LDS Church, the oldest and largest charter organization of the Boy Scouts of America, will drop Scouting from its Young Men's program for boys ages 14 through 17. Effective Jan. 1, the move will carve about 180,000 Mormon boys from the Varsity and Venturing Scout programs in the United States and Canada, replacing them with activities created for boys in those age groups by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The church will continue to sponsor Cub Scouts for boys 8 to 10 and Boy Scout programs for those 11 through 13 in those two countries, but statements released by the church about the announcement signaled that it may drop those programs in the future, too. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865679711/Mormons-drop-Scout-programs-for-older-teens.html http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/questions-answers-changes-young-men-program
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    In 2007, the Salt Lake Council's chief executive took home total compensation (including all benefits) of $214K. (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695226688/Scouts-may-be-thrifty-but-some-leaders-are-well-paid.html) Ten years later, the position is worth $341K. (http://www.sltrib.com/news/5278985-155/mormon-church-takes-steps-away-from?page=2) And yet the BSA continually hectors the Church for more money; while the rank-and-file membership works in Scouting units for free and the Church's top echelons of leadership (based on leaked documents and some educated guesstimates) earn half of what BSA regional execs do for running a global organization with six times the BSA's membership. BSA is a country club, masquerading as a charity. #andtheywonderwhyweareleaving
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    I've been married long enough to see a large overlap between the two.
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    The issue is that we members rarely if ever get to know why someone fell away. We prefer to put them in little boxes because it makes us feel better about ourselves and the church.
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    In doing some research on church topics, google invariably also shows results of discussions by former Mormons. Since I'm sure many of them have at least some history and knowledge that was pertinent to the topic I was researching, I read what they had to say (to be verified elsewhere). Indeed I found that they had valuable information that I could use as search terms at other sites for verification. What I couldn't help but notice was that about every third comment always used their otherwise informative post as a tool to throw a jab in at the way the Church was (doctrines, policies, structure, people, culture, etc.) As I read these criticisms I couldn't help but recognize just how shallow and petty as well as inaccurate the criticisms were. Example: I had wondered what anti-Mormons thought of our temples and geneology. I mean, if it is this big evil corporation that is lulling people into a false sense of whatever for the benefit of those at the top, what would be the purpose of the temple? Why go through all that time and expense on temples and setting up a geneology library and an entire doctrinal system around families and family lines? The comments I read in this vein essentially said,"Temple attendance requires tithing faithfulness. Therefore temples are money makers." Really? I guess they don't really know how much temples cost to build and maintain. They never "make money." And who's benefitting anyway? There are plenty of other much more lucrative get-rich-quick schemes than to pay into a system with high incomes for decades only to have a job filled with endless meetings for a stipend that is much less than what most of these men made in their professional lives anyway. Are they really that desperate to mock the Church that they have to grasp at straws to justify why they left the Church? What are they even doing on forums just to discuss how good it was for them to leave the Church? (yes, that is pretty much the only purpose of those forums) Make no mistake, I'm not just talking about what is good or better about the new life. Everyone has to feel good about the life they've chosen. But the threads I've read don't focus on the good of the new life, but rather the criticisms of the old -- and they are petty criticisms to boot. I hope I never get that way if I were ever to leave the Church. yes, yes, neutral gound and can't get back to it. blah blah. I just don't get it. I suppose I should hope I never do.
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    I must have missed the column that got similar chuckles over the way so many non-LDS girls try to get guys by giving it all up on the very first date. I'm sure it was a gut-buster, right guys? Right? Guys? . . . Oh, there was no such column? Interesting, how we have morphed into a society where the dating tactics of promiscuous girls are sacrosanct; whereas chaste girls who indulge in silly-but-harmless little games merit a public pillorying and flaying. Look, Brother Snell; mock the LDS girls who do this kind of thing all you want--some of it is indeed rather inane. I get it. I also get that, based on the tenor of several recent columns, you and some of the other authors here are probably jonesing for a more . . . erm . . . heterodox audience, and I've tried to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. But let me go on-record as saying that once you've crossed the line of virtue-shaming, I don't want to hear you or anyone else say another gosh-darned thing about "slut-shaming".
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    A friend of mine is starting up a corporation. He intends this to be a very large corporation. He brought me in to help out with some things. He kept mentioning the core values of the company in a way that I didn't understand. That is to say, he was using terminology that was kind of cryptic. I asked for clarification. As he explained, I began envisioning the concentric circles model of theology. It was exactly what he was explaining as company values. I proceeded to draw the concentric circles model using the values he described. I showed it to him and began to explain what it meant. He's an atheist, so the idea that it was somewhat related to theology was off-putting to him. He ended up interrupting me before my explanation was through. He then suggested that I re-do the model because it didn't accurately depict what he wanted for the company. He went on to describe a venn diagram of the values (explaining that my model was inaccurate) with the core values on the outside, instead of the concentric circles. I told him that my model was not a venn diagram and it wasn't intended to be. He claimed he understood. But I don't think he did. In the end he wanted me to re-do it as a venn diagram model with the core values as an all encompassing circle and the company name at the center to send to the graphic designer. I did so. Well, it's been just long enough for me to consider that conversation and recognize the meaning and ramifications of what we discussed. I had a small epiphany. Here was the epitome of the quote that applied to how a Mormon (at least this Mormon) and an atheist (at least this atheist) thought: When we center everything around Christ everything else has to be somewhat close. The more detailed you get, the further we are from the central principle. But we still are close to Christ. His view was that the core values are a cage within which we can work. The Lord's way is not to set limits, but allow our judgement to take us where we need to be as long as we are centered on Christ. His was was about limits and restrictions to do things his way.
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    Why choose? Be a Sci Fi polygamist and love them both.
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    No one seems to be upset that we cannot take our phones into the temple, because it is so sacred. Now, assuming sacrament meeting is the most sacred setting outside of the temple, is it really so bad or extreme to ask people to turn off their phones for just one hour a week for sacrament meeting?
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    Paper and pen works just as well (probably better, since most of us can handwrite more quickly than touchscreen type). Transcribing it later into your device would be a worthwhile Sabbath activity, and give you the opportunity to reflect on it again.
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    Doing service helps alot. Not only are you helping someone, you often build connections with that person or with the people with whom you serve. You can help at the bishop's storehouse. Shovel the walk of your neighbor or elderly member of the ward. Visit with the elderly. Whenever they ask for help at activities or whatever, join in. Step out of yourself and welcome others to church. If you see someone sitting alone at church, introduce yourself and sit with them. Help take care of the grounds at your ward. You don't need to be a member to be kind and helpful.
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    That's why you got that tattoo? I guess it's too late to tell you that mine was actually a crocodile.
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    1. Maybe it's sacred 2. Casting pearls before swine was also counseled against 3. Timing 3a. No one likes a know-it-all
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    Well, the "sham" lay in the identity of the poster. As to the truth of the underlying allegations, we really don't know one way or the other; but I suspect that the kernel of the story--that the OP was more or less "cornered" without her parents' knowledge or consent--may be, to some extent, true. At any rate--she's a kid, she's taken her licks from us, and it's probably time for us to lay off.
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    Not to mention how offensive it is to treat something so very sacred with such flippancy.
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    I discovered recently that my husband responds to my efforts to show my appreciation to him. I gave him a card where it had a message that resonated with our relationship. I also wrote in it with things that I was proud of him for or appreciated about him. Wow, talk about a response. He bought me flowers, he spent more time with me, he took me out, among other things. Seriously, I wasn't expecting anything in return (other than an acknowledgment and thank you) but did it to remind myself of the things that I appreciate about him now. (I've tucked this little tidbit away to use in the future when I need some additional attention from him. Holy cow, did this surprise me!)
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    DO NOT TELL YOUR WIFE. Got that? Now that that's clear, my advice would be: Don't worry about it. If you find yourself thinking about your sister-in-law, think about something else. Don't allow yourself to dwell on thoughts of her. Beyond that, just don't worry about it. Do what you're supposed to do, control your thoughts as best you can, and get on with your life. If you deeply, desperately need someone to talk to for unburdening yourself or whatever, talk to your closest friend, or your quorum president, or your bishop. Or go hire a shrink and pay $200 an hour to talk with him, if that's what it takes. By the way, did I mention DO NOT TELL YOUR WIFE?
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    Romans 13 tells us that to rebel against law enforcement is to oppose what God establishes. Yet, we are in a season when police and correctional workers get abundant scorn and precious little appreciation. Sunday begins Correctional Workers Week. I am humbled and honored to serve with my brothers and sisters. Thank someone this week who serves in this difficult, but important calling.
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    Unless you are a son of perdition there is always a way to repent and get back on track.
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    Over the years I have struggled myself with how I respond to things. I've been unkind many times in my responses. Some were justified. But many times they weren't. I am really really working on trying to be a little kinder in all my contacts with others. It's hard sometimes. This quote was sent to me this morning and it's exactly what I've been trying to work on for the last year or so. This of course would apply to sisters as well. I appreciate the comments made and I'll forward the link to this thread to those who would have an interest in it. I can see how our opinions on the type of articles could be of some benefit to them. Again my point is, let's not be so harsh on those who are writing the articles. Whether it was meant for the organization as a whole or not, it's the writer who would take it personal.
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    I second @person0. Whatever BSA's past virtues, it has devolved into a morass of bureaucracy and avarice. As a cubmaster for 2 years and an 11-year-old leader for 4-5 years before that in two different wards; I find that my council is quick to tell me what I'm doing wrong, quick to say "no", quick to lose records, quick to sell me crap at inflated prices, quick to extol its own virtues, quick to ask for money, quick to give me boneheaded "tips" that haven't worked for any boy born after 1949, quick to nag me about why I'm not growing my pack . . . But agonizingly slow to provide any meaningful support to those of us volunteers who are in the trenches, making the program work. Any time a relationship dissolves, there will inevitably be some navel-gazing and questions about what we could have done better. On the whole, that's healthy. But we need not view the BSA through rose-colored glasses. Scouting is no longer the blessing that once it was; and the benefits it still provides are by no means exclusive to the BSA--as Trail Life USA has shown. And it's worth noting that TLUSA's entire membership is only 1/5 of the number of LDS boys affected by this new policy. Our future remains bright.
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    My guess is that this move reflects that the BSA values tend to reflect the culture, though its traditions, smartness, and para-military dressing shield us from this reality. Other faith groups that practice robust counter-culture values formed their own versions of scouting decades ago. Royal Rangers, Royal Ambassadors, AWANAS, etc. are flourishing. My guess is that future LDS will come to rejoice at the remembrance of this announcement--a decision that awakens the church a bit more to the times in which we live.
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    Exactly. We are. That was my point as well. @Rob Osborn the reason I said you are oversimplifying is because many who leave the church start with doubts. Doubt is not something you chose like which outfit to put on in the morning. It just happens. It's part of living with a veil between us and Father. For example, what if you sit through a life time of talks/lessons/testimonies on tithing blessings...people getting miraculous financial help BUT then you fall into economic hard times....lose a business, get a job, get laid off, get another job get laid off, all these in a span of about 3 years. And you have health challenges too, along with a couple thousand dollars of health bills. But no worries cause you pay your tithing. No worries, but the strain continues until you find yourself in the Bishops office getting help. You do get help, but it's not the tithing miracle that you thought would happen. It makes you wonder and doubt a bit.....hopefully you can work through it. What if you are gay, and you read Miracle of Forgiveness and see that Pres. Kimball called you an abomination. That hurts. And it makes you feel deep shame over something you cannot control (I mean your feelings not your actions) and/or it makes you begin to question your leaders. Why did Pres. Kimball say that and the Leaders speak differently today? One might begin to doubt the Leaders. Hopefully they will work through it. Doubt is not a choice. It's part of this life something we all have to deal with from ti.e to time and hopefully in the end we kept ourselves in the church. That's why our Leaders counsel us to read our scriptures and say our prayers daily to give us strength to overcome these doubts and trials when they come to us. I agree with @MormonGator that we judge harshly those who fall away because of our own fears that we will fall away. But that is not the Savior's way. He would have us strengthen ourselves by seeking the lost sheep and loving them, not by watching them walk away then telling ourselves "they made bad choices." NeuroTypical, I usually agree with you, but I have to disagree on this one. I hate it when people show up at my door unannounced. Absolutely hate it. Then to add insult to injury, if the unannounced visitor is someone from that church that I Asked To Leave Me Alone....how agreeable do you think I'm going to be? If I don't flat out slam door in their face, they'll be lucky. If I do talk to them, I will likely be extremely disagreeable. I will NOT believe at all that they actually care about ME. Nope, cause I've been in yourh presidency meetings where we are are told to visit the less actives. Now as one of those less actives, I feel like a box to be checked. You aren't visiting me for me, out of love, but out of duty. If I were less active...the best way to get me to listen would be to truly become my friend and that takes time (like friendship, visiting and home teaching) not a visit out of the blue by stangers.
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    Essentially, this is like saying, "If you always remain firmly on the path of Christ, you will never leave the path. " This strikes me as tautological and lacking in probative or illuminating value. What may prove more useful is discerning the causes for lack of, or loss of sufficient faith, obedience, and charity, which leads to loss of membership. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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    Not too long my agonwe had a thread about that "I'm a thinker" humblebrag. IMHO the reason such a banal statement gets so much yardage is because we all know that so many people clearly don't think through the consequences/implications of what they say. This temples-as-moneymakers trope you speak of is a good example of that.
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    Don't tell your 5 year old unless you want the ward, the school and the world knowing what is going on. Young children have no real concept of private conversation vs. public conversation; i.e. they don't have the capability to recognize what they should say to others and what they shouldn't say to others-that requires many years of training. So if you tell the 5 year old-the information will be guaranteed to get out. I probably wouldn't make that big of a deal of it with the kid. You are still planning on going to church? And doing most of the normal church things-except things you can't do. So don't bring it up . . .if on the off chance the kid gets wise and says something like "Why doesn't daddy take the sacrament?" It's a great teaching moment, you can just say "when we take the sacrament we covenant with God to always remember him and to keep His commandments, daddy did somethings that broke God's commandments and can't take the sacrament for a while until he has fully repented". Or something to that effect-if the kid wants more detail give 'em the old "I'll tell you when you are older".
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    Given that she's earned her Adulting badge. I think that's probably "No need to rest on your Relief Societies".
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    This is a rare occasion where I disagree with DoctorLemon. Just because your wife is intent on flying your plane into the ground doesn't mean you should let her. I don't have a quick solution. I do know that if you're bringing in $200,000 a year, you should have complete financial independence for the rest of your life within a decade. Your wife is completely out of control. She must not be allowed to control the purse strings, not for any reason, not for mortgage or daily expenses or anything. I do have some other questions, though: You're paying $4000/month in mortgage. Why? Unless you're living in San Francisco or Manhattan, $4000/month is one huge house. And just for the two of you, given that all your children are grown. So sell the McMansion and MOVE. Get a small bungalow, or buy a condo, or maybe rent an apartment. Cut your mortgage/rent by 75%. $1000/month in debt repayment and...$11,667 in monthly expenses?! Those two numbers should be reversed. Live on $1000/month (other than mortgage), and pour huge amounts of money into getting your debt repaid. You are a rich man. But you and your wife are spending money like you're filthy rich -- and you are not. It would be criminal for someone with your income to get to retirement penniless, but it sounds like that is where you are headed. Get control of this train before it derails.
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    Or a vase in case basis, as the (*ahem*) case may be.
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    Again . . .what kind of drivel is this? You guys are really putting out crap articles. Snowflake generation . . .everyone must be the most awesome, most stupendous person ever . .. everyone will bow at your feet b/c your so awesome. Oh, you mean I'm actually just a regular guy trying to make it in this world and that the most important things I can do are to raise a righteous family . .. boring!! Life sucks, I hate everything b/c I'm not God's gift to the world!!! And in order to pronounce my frustration at how I'm not God's gift to the world I'll write an article and I'll title it "I HATE my Patriarchal Blessing". Well maybe that is your problem there-your attitude. Maybe God decided not to give you more insight b/c of your attitude . . . . Why does everything have to be so drama filled these days? Please, spare me the drivel.
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    And thus the destruction of society . . . I want my daughters growing up to believe that the most important job they can and will ever do is raising a righteous generation. Nothing, they do in life will ever come close to that monumental, sacred task. I want my son to grow up believing the most important job he can ever have is to lead his family in righteousness towards God. That no job he will ever do will make up for a lack of him being a proper leader, mentor, provider in his family. The above is (and I don't mean offense MG) is the modern secular humanistic view of the world-that it is important to do something "great", that being whatever you want is good. Except that every single one of us will die at some point-life is very, very short and very transitory. God cares not if we are "great men/women" in the eyes of the world. God cares whether we have done our best to learn to become like Him and whether we have learned the right lessons on this Earth. And those lessons do not include "being whatever you want to be" but "how do I emulate my Savior more and then how do I teach that to others?". I work to provide for my family-not for the praise and gain of the world. It is a difference of world-view. One is very secular and humanistic; the other is a focus on the things of God.