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      Mormon Hub Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting   04/17/08

        Any views expressed on Mormon Hub are independent of and do not represent the views of Mormon Hub, More Good Foundation, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Site Rules 1. Do not post, upload, or otherwise submit anything to the site that is derogatory towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings, or its leaders. Anti-LDS Propaganda will not be tolerated anywhere. 2. Please be conscious of the fact that although Mormon Hub is aimed towards an LDS audience, that the membership of this site consists of friends from an array of different backgrounds, beliefs, and cultures. Please be respectful and courteous to all, and know that everyone who is willing to follow the Rules and Terms of Mormon Hub are welcome to participate and be a member of Mormon Hub. Keep in mind that anything posted, uploaded, or otherwise displayed on the site should be understandable to friends of other faiths as well as to members. Please define any LDS vocabulary that friends of other faiths may not understand (i.e. Mutual, Relief Society, and Deacon.) 3. Personal attacks, name calling, flaming, and judgments against other members will not be tolerated. 4. No bickering and nit-picking toward others. Realize that sometimes it is very difficult to be able to express how one feels through written words. Please be courteous and ask for a further explanation, rather then trying to attack and find holes in someone else's post. 5. No cursing or crude language. Any swearing, including filter skipping, will result in an automatic one week suspension. 6. Posting issues you have with a moderator or administrator anywhere on the site will not be allowed. Please follow the chain of authority if you have any concerns. Any such posts will be removed and the poster will be subject to the consequences of breaking the rules. List of site moderators Course of action that should be taken if you have a concern: - Send a message directly to the moderator you have a concern about. If you are unable to work out the problem then, - Send a message to the head moderators. - If after you have approached both avenues, you may then send a message to Heather; however know that Heather is very unlikely to over rule anything that has been sanctioned by the moderators and head moderators. 7. Multiple accounts are not allowed and will result in all accounts being banned from the site. 8. Please do not share any "true" or "faith promoting" stories, unless you can verify the source. 9. Do not post any copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you. 10. Bigoted/racial/ethnic comments will not be tolerated. Political Neutrality Policy More Good Foundation, as a nonprofit foundation, must remain neutral with respect to partisan politics and candidate campaigns for public office. The foundation encourages its members and staff to be informed about political issues and to be engaged in civic life; however, it does not endorse or oppose any political parties, candidates, or platforms. Mormon Hub will allow political discussion, also long as all posts remain neutral with respect to partisan politics and candidate campaigns for public office. You may not use the site to show support, endorse, oppose or sanction any candidate. In addition, all posts must be respectful and sensitive to readers of all political beliefs and backgrounds. Any post that violates any of the above conditions will be dealt with according to the consequences of breaking the rules. As a non-profit organization, 501©3, we are governed by legal constraints relative to writing, blogging, or otherwise endorsing any candidate running for political office. The law states, in effect, that no one acting on behalf of the nonprofit can intervene directly or indirectly in the election process by endorsing a political candidate. Any post that speaks favorably about one candidate, even in a religious context, can be construed as indirect intervention in the election process. While journalists are presently exempt from this provision, bloggers and forum-members are not. 12. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this site to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. 13. You will not use this site to solicit the sale of any product, service or website. You will not use this site to promote a money making venture or contest. If appropriate, you may post a link to your personal website or to your business on your profile, in your forum signature, and you make create one post in the web link section of the forum. Do not post any link or discuss any business, service, or website that violates any rule of Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub is not responsible for the content of any site linked on Mormon Hub. Consequences to these rules could result in the following, and are determined on a case by case basis. Anything that an Administrator or Moderator determines is more than just an infraction of the rules, will result in immediate banning from the site and/or legal action: First infraction will result in a warning and a message from a moderator on what rule was broken. Second infraction will result in a one week suspension followed by a two week moderator post approval Third infraction will result in banned from the site for good. Any topic, message, video, music, image, or other upload or submission to the site that breaks any rules will be deleted. Please remember that we are not responsible for anything posted or uploaded. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message or upload. We are not responsible for the contents of any message, video, image, post or upload. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Mormon Hub , More Good Foundation, or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact the Administration immediately by Private Message, Email, or Report a Post. We will make every effort to remove objectionable messages and uploads within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. Mormon Hub Terms of Use Agreement January 8, 2008 Mormon Hub is a social networking service that allows Members to create unique personal profiles online in order to find and communicate with old and new friends. Mormon Hub refers to "Mormon Hub or its proprietors." The services offered by Mormon Hub ("Mormon Hub" or "we") include the Mormon Hub website (the "Mormon Hub Website"), the Mormon Hub Internet messaging service, and any other features, content, or applications offered from time to time by Mormon Hub in connection with the Mormon Hub Website (collectively, the "Mormon Hub Services"). The Mormon Hub Services are hosted in the U.S. This Terms of Use Agreement ("Agreement") sets forth the legally binding terms for your use of the Mormon Hub Services. By using the Mormon Hub Services, you agree to be bound by this Agreement, whether you are a "Visitor" (which means that you simply browse the Mormon Hub Website) or you are a "Member" (which means that you have registered with Mormon Hub). The term "User" refers to a Visitor or a Member. You are only authorized to use the Mormon Hub Services (regardless of whether your access or use is intended) if you agree to abide by all applicable laws and to this Agreement. Please read this Agreement carefully and save it. If you do not agree with it, you should leave the Mormon Hub Website and discontinue use of the Mormon Hub Services immediately. If you wish to become a Member, communicate with other Members and make use of the Mormon Hub Services, you must read this Agreement and indicate your acceptance during the Registration process. This Agreement includes Mormon Hub's policy for acceptable use of the Mormon Hub Services and Content posted on the Mormon Hub Website, your rights, obligations and restrictions regarding your use of the Mormon Hub Services and Mormon Hub's Privacy Policy. In order to participate in certain Mormon Hub Services, you may be notified that you are required to download software or content and/or agree to additional terms and conditions. Unless otherwise provided by the additional terms and conditions applicable to the Mormon Hub Services in which you choose to participate, those additional terms are hereby incorporated into this Agreement.  Mormon Hub may modify this Agreement from time to time and such modification shall be effective upon posting by Mormon Hub on the Mormon Hub Website. You agree to be bound to any changes to this Agreement when you use the Mormon Hub Services after any such modification is posted. It is therefore important that you review this Agreement regularly to ensure you are updated as to any changes. Please choose carefully the information you post on Mormon Hub and that you provide to other Users. You may NOT include any of the following information anywhere on Mormon Hub, including private messages: telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, and any photographs containing nudity, or obscene, lewd, excessively violent, harassing, sexually explicit or otherwise objectionable subject matter. Email addresses should NEVER be posted to the general public. Despite this prohibition, information provided by other Mormon Hub Members (for instance, in their Profile) may contain inaccurate, inappropriate, offensive or sexually explicit material, products or services, and Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility or liability for this material. If you become aware of misuse of the Mormon Hub Services by any person, please contact Mormon Hub or click on the "Report Inappropriate Content" link at the bottom of any Mormon Hub page. Mormon Hub reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to moderate, reject, refuse to post or remove any posting (including private messages) by you, or to restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to all or any part of the Mormon Hub Services at any time, for any or no reason, with or without prior notice, and without liability. Mormon Hub expressly reserves the right to remove your profile and/or restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to any part of Mormon Hub Services if Mormon Hub determines, in its sole discretion, that you pose a threat to Mormon Hub and/or its Users. Mormon Hub reserves the right to ask a member to change their username if it is found to be offensive or can be perceived as offensive. Due to the sacredness, this would include any usernames that include, Jesus, Christ, God, Lord, names of Prophets, General authorities etc. The names of personal or business websites, blogs, etc. to promote said sites is also prohibited. Using names of political figures or party affiliation is also prohibited. 1. Eligibility. Use of and Membership in the Mormon Hub Services is void where prohibited. By using the Mormon Hub Services, you represent and warrant that (a) all registration information you submit is truthful and accurate; ( B) you will maintain the accuracy of such information; © you are 14 years of age or older; and (d) your use of the Mormon Hub Services does not violate any applicable law or regulation. Your profile may be deleted and your Membership may be terminated without warning, if we believe that you are under 13 years of age. 2. Term. This Agreement shall remain in full force and effect while you use the Mormon Hub Services or are a Member. You may terminate your Membership at any time, for any reason, emailing an admin. Mormon Hub may terminate your Membership at any time, without warning. Even after Membership is terminated, this Agreement will remain in effect, including sections 5-17. 3. Password. When you sign up to become a Member, you will also be asked to choose a password. You are entirely responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your password. You agree not to use the account, username, or password of another Member at any time or to disclose your password to any third party. You agree to notify Mormon Hub immediately if you suspect any unauthorized use of your account or access to your password. You are solely responsible for any and all use of your account. 4. Non-commercial Use by Members. The Mormon Hub Services are for the personal use of Members only and may not be used in connection with any commercial endeavors except those that are specifically endorsed or approved by Mormon Hub. Illegal and/or unauthorized use of the Mormon Hub Services, including collecting usernames and/or email addresses of Members by electronic or other means for the purpose of sending unsolicited email or unauthorized framing of or linking to the Mormon Hub Website is prohibited. Commercial advertisements, affiliate links, and other forms of solicitation may be removed from Member profiles without notice and may result in termination of Membership privileges. Appropriate legal action will be taken for any illegal or unauthorized use of the Mormon Hub Services. 5. Proprietary Rights in Content on Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") that you post to the Mormon Hub Services. After posting your Content to the Mormon Hub Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Mormon Hub Services, you hereby grant to Mormon Hub a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content solely on and through the Mormon Hub Services.
      Without this license, Mormon Hub would be unable to provide the Mormon Hub Services. For example, without the right to modify Member Content, Mormon Hub would not be able to digitally compress music files that Members submit or otherwise format Content to satisfy technical requirements, and without the right to publicly perform Member Content, Mormon Hub could not allow Users to listen to music posted by Members. The license you grant to Mormon Hub is non-exclusive (meaning you are free to license your Content to anyone else in addition to Mormon Hub), fully-paid and royalty-free (meaning that Mormon Hub is not required to pay you for the use on the Mormon Hub Services of the Content that you post), sublicensable (so that Mormon Hub is able to use its affiliates and subcontractors such as Internet content delivery networks to provide the Mormon Hub Services), and worldwide (because the Internet and the Mormon Hub Services are global in reach). This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the Mormon Hub Services. The license does not grant Mormon Hub the right to sell your Content, nor does the license grant Mormon Hub the right to distribute your Content outside of the Mormon Hub Services. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Mormon Hub Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Content on or through the Mormon Hub Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Content posted by you to or through the LDS.Mormon Hub Services. The Mormon Hub Services contain Content of Mormon Hub ("Mormon Hub Content"). Mormon Hub Content is protected by copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret and other laws, and Mormon Hub owns and retains all rights in the Mormon Hub Content and the Mormon Hub Services. Mormon Hub hereby grants you a limited, revocable, nonsublicensable license to reproduce and display the Mormon Hub Content (excluding any software code) solely for your personal use in connection with viewing the Mormon Hub Website and using the Mormon Hub Services. The Mormon Hub Services contain Content of Users and other Mormon Hub licensors. Except for Content posted by you, you may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the Mormon Hub Services.   6. Content Posted. Mormon Hub may delete any Content that in the sole judgment of Mormon Hub violates this Agreement or which may be offensive, illegal or violate the rights, harm, or threaten the safety of any person. Mormon Hub assumes no responsibility for monitoring the Mormon Hub Services for inappropriate Content or conduct. If at any time Mormon Hub chooses, in its sole discretion, to monitor the Mormon Hub Services, Mormon Hub nonetheless assumes no responsibility for the Content, no obligation to modify or remove any inappropriate Content, and no responsibility for the conduct of the User submitting any such Content. You are solely responsible for the Content that you post on or through any of the Mormon Hub Services, and any material or information that you transmit to other Members and for your interactions with other Users. Mormon Hub does not endorse and has no control over the Content. Content is not necessarily reviewed by Mormon Hub prior to posting and does not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Mormon Hub. Mormon Hub makes no warranties, express or implied, as to the Content or to the accuracy and reliability of the Content or any material or information that you transmit to other Members.   7. Content/Activity Prohibited. The following is a partial list of the kind of Content that is illegal or prohibited to post on or through the Mormon Hub Services.Mormon Hub reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Mormon Hub's sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, removing the offending communication from the Mormon Hub Services and terminating the Membership of such violators. Prohibited Content includes, but is not limited to Content that, in the sole discretion of Mormon Hub: is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual; harasses or advocates harassment of another person; exploits people in a sexual or violent manner; contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult website; solicits personal information from anyone; provides any telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs or email addresses; promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous; promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person's copyrighted work, such as providing pirated computer programs or links to them, providing information to circumvent manufacture-installed copy-protect devices, or providing pirated music or links to pirated music files; involves the transmission of "junk mail," "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, "spimming," or "spamming"; contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page); furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses; solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users; involves commercial activities and/or sales without our prior written consent such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes; includes a photograph of another person that you have posted without that person's consent; or uses sexually suggestive imagery or any other unfair, misleading or deceptive Content intended to draw traffic to the profile.
      The following is a partial list of the kind of activity that is illegal or prohibited on the Mormon Hub Website and through your use of the Mormon Hub Services. Mormon Hub reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action against anyone who, in Mormon Hub's sole discretion, violates this provision, including without limitation, reporting you to law enforcement authorities. Prohibited activity includes, but is not limited to: criminal or tortuous activity, including child pornography, fraud, trafficking in obscene material, drug dealing, gambling, harassment, stalking, spamming, spimming, sending of viruses or other harmful files, copyright infringement, patent infringement, or theft of trade secrets; advertising to, or solicitation of, any Member to buy or sell any products or services through the Mormon Hub Services. You may not transmit any chain letters or junk email to other Members. It is also a violation of these rules to use any information obtained from the Mormon Hub Services in order to contact, advertise to, solicit, or sell to any Member without their prior explicit consent. In order to protect our Members from such advertising or solicitation, Mormon Hub reserves the right to restrict the number of emails which a Member may send to other Members in any 24-hour period to a number which Mormon Hub deems appropriate in its sole discretion. If you breach this Agreement and send unsolicited bulk email, instant messages or other unsolicited communications of any kind through the Mormon Hub Services, you acknowledge that you will have caused substantial harm to Mormon Hub, but that the amount of such harm would be extremely difficult to ascertain. As a reasonable estimation of such harm, you agree to pay Mormon Hub $50 for each such unsolicited email or other unsolicited communication you send through the Mormon Hub Services; covering or obscuring the banner advertisements on your personal profile page, or any Mormon Hub page via HTML/CSS or any other means; any automated use of the system, such as using scripts to add friends or send comments or messages; interfering with, disrupting, or creating an undue burden on the Mormon Hub Services or the networks or services connected to the Mormon Hub Services; attempting to impersonate another Member or person; copying the code for your Mormon Hub Player and embedding it into other profiles or asking other Members to embed it into their profiles; using the account, username, or password of another Member at any time or disclosing your password to any third party or permitting any third party to access your account; selling or otherwise transferring your profile; using any information obtained from the Mormon Hub Services in order to harass, abuse, or harm another person; displaying an advertisement on your profile, or accepting payment or anything of value from a third person in exchange for your performing any commercial activity on or through the Mormon Hub Services on behalf of that person, such as placing commercial content on your profile, posting blogs or bulletins with a commercial purpose, selecting a profile with a commercial purpose as one of your "Top" friends, or sending private messages with a commercial purpose; or using the Mormon Hub Services in a manner inconsistent with any and all applicable laws and regulations.   8. 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Without limiting the foregoing, if you believe that your work has been copied and posted on the Mormon Hub Services in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please provide our Copyright Agent with the following information: (i) an electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest; (ii) a description of the copyrighted work that you claim has been infringed; (iii) a description of where the material that you claim is infringing is located on the Mormon Hub Services; (iv) your address, telephone number, and email address; (v) a written statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the disputed use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; (vi) a statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the copyright owner's behalf. 9. Member Disputes. 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      IMPORTANT!! -- Login Issues   09/12/17

      TL;DR; In order to fix login issues, a lot of people will have to reset their password. As of now, if you are unable to login, please attempt a "Forgot Password"/"Password Reset" (check your spam folder) and if that doesn't work then feel free to Contact Us, for help and please check back on this post for any status updates and FAQs as we go through this process. FAQ:
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      Firstly, I'd like to apologize on behalf of MormonHub for the frustration of the login system. There is a lot of cool things we could do with the login system, and having the logins synced up between our forum system and our front end system has been nice, but for multiple reasons (not just the current login issues), we have decided to move back to the earlier login system. While I would love to be able to migrate everyone's current passwords back, but the systems are just not compatible that way. So a large number of users will need to do a password reset. We realize that we forced everyone to do this on the move to the new system, and we sincerely apologize to everyone that will have to do it again. The Login System has now been swapped over. Give us a little bit of time to work out kinks in the system (will post updates here). If you are unable to login anymore, then please perform a password reset (check spam folder) and if that fails and we don't have any acknowledgement of problems on this post (No known problems at this time), then feel free to contact us (keeping in mind that there are a lot of you and very few of us).

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  1. 10 points
    Blossom76

    A Compromise!

    I'm so happy right now! As some of you know my husband is very Catholic and I'm investigating the LDS church, I love the Book Of Mormon and I'm praying to know if its true (nothing yet but I'll keep praying!) but my husband was umm lets just say 'less than impressed' with the whole idea. Anyway, we have come to a compromise. If I study the LDS faith for 18 months in depth and still want to join he will be supportive of me and even come to my baptism! The only condition is that I have to study the Catholic faith at the same time (his point is you can't leave your own church for another if you don't even have a proper grounding in your own faith. He also thinks I should have a proper understanding of the LDS faith before converting). He doesn't mind me attending LDS church as long as I go to Mass with him first (which is fine because the Mass is in the morning and the ward for my area is in the afternoon). I do try to go to LDS church every week but honestly I need to be more dedicated (4 hours of church a week is a long time!) He has also agreed to study the LDS church with me (he will also help me study the Catholic church as well) and read the Book Of Mormon. God certainly does work in your life if you pray and keep faith. This is definitely progress people!
  2. 9 points
    dahlia

    This always happens to me

    As a former Catholic, I learned my Catechism, not the Bible. So, there were a lot of times when the missionaries would tell me something, and in the back of my mind, I'd think - y'all have got to be fooling - then I'd find out it was right from the Bible. This is one reason why I believe the Church is true - every time I doubted, the missionaries were able to point to the Bible and show me where a belief or practice came from. Cool. Well, I've been asked to give a short talk on Christ's mercy and was looking up some relevant scripture. Earlier this evening I was reading a thread here about being cast into outer darkness. "Outer darkness" was another one of these phrases that I thought the LDS had made up. So, imagine my surprise when I read, "but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness." Matthew 8:5-13 Wait - 'Outer darkness' is in the Bible??? You mean Joseph Smith didn't make it up? I love it when this happens to me. I've read the BOM a few times. Maybe for 2018 my goal should be to read the Bible. I might learn something.
  3. 9 points
    Personally, I've found this forum to be very welcoming and helpful with sinful behavior. However, you must first recognize the behavior and desire help in overcoming it. If you come here talking about how your wife might not be the one and putting up a poll asking if you should get with her sister, I don't understand how you can be surprised when a group of faithful LDS asks you if you've lost your ever-loving mind. This isn't the Hedonism chat room.
  4. 8 points
    Since you do not know anyone who is religious, and you probably want to get a down-to-earth understanding of the religion you are about to learn of, you might try visiting http://www.mormon.org The site is an official explanation of the church, specifically for those who are unfamiliar, but interested. http://www.lds.org is also an official site, with much more in-depth information, should your curiosity make you want to look deeper. This site is good for raising questions that regular members of the church can answer. The answers here are not "official," but most posters are knowledgeable. I am not a member, but came here with questions. Despite not converting, I found the people and conversations so friendly and informative, I've stayed around.
  5. 8 points
    zil

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  6. 8 points
    An Investigator

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  7. 7 points
    Rape by deception - you consent to have sex with a woman with full make-up on. you wake up the next day with her make-up all melted and crusty and you do a coyote ugly. Law of Chastity people.
  8. 7 points
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    Grunt

    Missionaries

    I understand. I'd rather the fervor fade before baptism than after. I don't know that I'd call it a "fervor", though. It's a lifestyle. The lifestyle is slowly becoming habit not just with me, but with my family. We pray. Some of us study. We attend church. We associate with Mormons more. We live the Word of Wisdom. Heck, we had a Birthday Party for the boys today at a theater with pizza. One of my sons yelled to a friend who was getting ready to eat "WAIT! We haven't said prayer yet and I want to do it." Then he did.
  10. 7 points
    Carborendum

    How many Gods DO we believe in?

    The history of your posts would indicate otherwise.
  11. 7 points
    Grunt

    Missionaries

  12. 7 points
    NeedleinA

    CH1 now on LDS.org for everyone

    Antagonist and fence sitting paranoid members alike can now see for themselves all the deep dark secrets that CH1 has been withholding from it's membership and the world at large... let the disappointment of all the missing/lack of Harry Potter and cult like voodoo sink in finally. On a serious note, I think this is a great way (edit: if not posted by mistake) to take away half the pretend ammunition that others purport to "have on us" or that only the oppressive elite leadership knows about.
  13. 6 points
    mirkwood

    Original Book Of Mormon V 2.0

    Let's try and start this again from square one. @Blossom76 has a question. I'm going to repost it below and let's try and start this conversation over, with some perspective on both sides of this as to how actions are being perceived by others.
  14. 6 points
    NeuroTypical

    Original Book Of Mormon

    From Zil's link: Just out of curiosity Blossom, are you honestly going page by page, verse by verse, and comparing your hard copy of your old version with current version? I'd hate to think you were just finding criticisms on some anti-mormon website, and just pasting them here as if they were really your own research...
  15. 6 points
    prisonchaplain

    MOVING BEYOND PROFUNDITY

    We love to look, feel and sound profound. After all, do we not want to make a difference? Sometimes we do harm when we invoke a profound one-liner. I remember a younger chaplain sharing how fulfilling it was to see his inmates maturing in their faith. The elder mentor quickly and adamantly responded: They are not 'yours!' They belong to God. Of course the new chaplain blushed with shame, and sheepishly said, "Yes, of course." What a shameful way to treat that eager, young cleric! His/her passion to work hard, take ownership, and celebrate the growth of his parishioners should be encouraged, not distorted into something base. If we could examine the chaplain's heart, mind and efforts we would likely find diligence, deference, compassion, and true service to the incarcerated. I doubt we would find bragging, authoritarian tendencies, or even confused boundaries. So, why the quip about the inmates not being his/hers? The mentor got to sound seasoned and profound. S/he got to expound on each person's autonomy, and on God's ultimate sovereignty. The elder got to sound smart by making the junior feel stupid. Perhaps the senior chaplain meant well, and really thought there was a point to be made. Nevertheless, I resist the easy, profound one-liner. Better to listen a little more, assume the better in those we counsel, and to wait for the opportune time when God truly directs us to offer a few words of encouragement and life.
  16. 6 points
    Grunt

    Missionaries

    I stopped by today and it was spectacular. It's the first time I've visited a temple. The Sisters at the information booth said I had to stay to see the lights at night, so we stood there and talked about the church for over an hour until the sunset and the lights came on. I love talking to Mormons, particularly missionaries, because it always helps me work through questions or concerns. Remember when I said odd things always happen to me? Well, I stopped by the Mormon Battalion Historic Site. As the tour started (I was the only one there) someone slipped in the back. The guide asked where we were from and we both said "Boston". Crazy! Crazier still, neither of us are actually from Boston and when we started talking we were from the same Stake. Crazier still, remember when I said a member of my Ward gifted me a quad? Well, this was his brother-in-law. Unreal.
  17. 6 points
    Just_A_Guy

    How many Gods DO we believe in?

    I can see the argument for portraying Mormonism as “henotheistic” given that we believe God is one of a probably-infinite number of exalted beings who all have their own respective dominions. The trouble I see with the term “henotheism” is that it seems to imply a sort of nihilism—suggesting that there’s a whole smorgasbord of worshippable gods, and one need only to pick one more-or-less at random. In fact, the identity of the god we worship matters very much—we worship ONLY* God the Father (Elohim) in the name of His Son Jesus Christ; and none other. As for where our view of the Godhead leaves us—I’ve never heard @DoctorLemon‘s “social trinitarianism” term before; but I find it entrancing. *Barring very unique circumstances—3 Nephi tells us it is appropriate to worship Christ directly when in His physical presence.
  18. 6 points
    Jane_Doe

    Getting lost in the right path...

    "If you will really try and will not rationalize or rebel—repenting often and pleading for grace—you positively are going to be “good enough.” " --- By Elder J. Devn Cornish Of the Seventy, General Conference October 2016 https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2016/10/am-i-good-enough-will-i-make-it?lang=eng
  19. 6 points
    Vort

    Heavenly Mother & Mother Mary

    If you mean only our personal views about Mary, I have nothing much to offer. I think she was the mother of Jesus, a chosen and pure vessel, surely one of the holiest and most virtuous of women ever to walk the earth. Which doesn't really add anything to the discussion. If you mean our personal views about Mother, I have a few I'm willing to share: Speculation about the Mother is almost always damaging, and at very best is irrelevant (because it's just speculation -- we might as well speculate on the Father's eye color or some such thing). Why we have even been given the knowledge about the Mother's existence, I don't know -- but I speculate it is because our women need to gain at least a hazy, ill-defined glimpse at the possibilities of their future exaltation, similar to what men have been given. On a personal level, I have very little doubt we knew the Mother intimately in our premortal lives. I would not be surprised if, for us, she was the most important person we knew, similar to our mothers in the flesh during our childhood. But for us right now, today, in this life, our focus is on the Father, not the Mother. We pray to the Father. We worship the Father. We covenant with the Father. We make all our petitions to the Father. We look to the Father for guidance, for instruction, for wisdom. If we look to the Mother for any such thing, we are acting in a foolhardy manner, looking dangerously beyond the mark. Let us take comfort in the fact that Mother exists, that we once knew Her well, and that we surely will know her again in the eternities, but with even greater insight and appreciation -- and be content therewith. Let us spend no more time worrying about Mother's "role" or how we can "talk to her" or other such irrelevancies. Let us approach the Father, as we have been taught, and through his great power and love gain our exaltation. Then all things will be added unto us.
  20. 6 points
    One of the things that’s irking me about the way this conversation (I mean the “national” conversation, not the one here on the forum—I’m thinking primarily of a recent Megan McCardle column) is how many people are starting to say about some of these older incidents “well, that was twenty years ago; and it was a different time, and what was OK then isn’t OK now, so we need to cut this guy a break.” That assertion just isn’t true. Good men have known for centuries thay you don’t speak or act crudely in front of a woman, and you don’t touch her anyplace a swimsuit covers. And baseball players’ propensities to grab each other’s posteriors has been . . . forgive me . . . the “butt” of many a sports joke ever since my childhood. Outside of highly particularized circumstances that were virtually always recognized as deviations from a broader norm, this stuff has never been socially acceptable—left-wing revisionism notwithstanding. It isn’t that the boundaries didn’t exist; it’s just that folks of a certain caliber got their kicks and giggles being iconoclasts generally, and they didn’t see why sexual boundaries should remain intact when they were so gleefully breaking every other kind of boundary imaginable.
  21. 6 points
    As someone who's actually been raped, this comment here is both extremely false and offensive.
  22. 6 points
    I'm grateful for the people in this conversation. I'm thankful that one person voted 1 and 1, because it is proof that there's always more work to do. Someone I love was felt up, froze up, and didn't say anything for a decade. Until she learned dood was off seeking other victims. Then she filed a police report and participated in the DA's case against the new victim.
  23. 6 points
    I disagree with these statements. First, if you have "evidence" that is LEGIT, I'd like to see it. From what I've read and heard, it is actually quite common for victims to freeze up. Yes, people are taught to fight back, but I understand a majority in that situation actually DO freeze. In addition, there is NO excuse, ever, for a man to harass any women in that manner, especially physically. To have no sympathy at all? What happens if what she says actually happened. It was wrong, there is no excuse for what he did. We can mitigate things and show what actually happened to a degree with cameras, but that does NOT alleviate responsible behavior. It does not matter if you are alone or not, or how she is dressed even, every individual should act responsibly and that includes controlling your impulses, animal urges, and any other basic behavior that may lead to you touching or even physically abusing someone inappropriately. It is a problem that there are those that make false accusations, and we should be wary of such things. It is another reason to have cameras in the work environment, however, when a woman (or a man, we cannot ignore this also happens to men) have been accosted in such a manner inappropriately, I argue sympathy AND MORE should be requisite in our behavior to them.
  24. 6 points
    If answering 5 to your polls would stop TSA from groping airline passengers I'd answer 10.
  25. 6 points
    Quick update: I told her and she didn't kill me. She was disapointed in me, and it made her sad but she actually handled it way better than I did. Long story short, we are going to continue fighting this together.
  26. 6 points
    I experienced a similar scenario with my cousin's husband. After my mission I was searching for a job in the Salt Lake City area. My cousin's husband helped me find a job in the same building that he worked in. I also needed a place to live and my cousin invited me to live with them until I could find a place. Being a poor working girl and also going to school, money was tight so I was grateful to them for allowing me to stay with them until I could find roommates and get my own place. We carpooled to work and everything was fine until one day my cousin's husband told me he was attracted to me. Wow! That was a shock! I had no idea he felt this way. Needless to say, I moved out within a week. My feelings were one of "ick". This was not cool!! My regard for him took a nosedive. Where I once thought he was an upright guy, I now thought of him as a perv. I felt terrible. I wondered if I had ever done anything to let him think I was interested in him. I was not. I had never been. I felt bad for my cousin. How could he be so disrespectful to her? Have you ever thought about what would happen if you actually told your SIL your feelings? She may have the same reaction that I had. One of revulsion. That's what she should feel. But, what if it isn't revulsion on her part, and she tells you she is interested in you as well. Then what? Let's say you keep it on the up and up, and no hanky panky occurs, but you divorce your wife. Can you imagine the family dynamics if you should marry your SIL? There would never be a comfortable time with the in-laws. How could there be? How could your children ever be comfortable with such a situation. This is a losing scenario., No matter how you look at it. It would not be good!!! Never tell your SIL your feelings about her if you want her respect.
  27. 6 points
    Exactly. Sometimes "rude" or "sarcastic" or "mean" answers are based on the original post. You can't come in here and say "Oh, I'm thinking of leaving my wife for her sister." and expect us to respond with cuddles and flowers. No apologies for my comments. I think I was dead on. You've lost the right to complain about people being mean or sarcastic when you are clearly thinking of doing something that has very serious consequences for innocent parties. Perhaps what you think is a lack of "compassion" is someone telling you what you don't want to hear.
  28. 6 points
    You didn't? See above. If you never had any inappropriate sexual thoughts about her, why did you say you did? Why did you feel the need to imply you were afraid of going down that road? Why try to boost your reputation by saying you're a "good guy"? Take a step back and realize you did have some inappropriate thoughts about her. Also take a step back and realize that this doesn't make you a bad guy either. Recognizing a woman is beautiful is something men do by instinct, not by choice (my opinion). It is what you do with it that makes you a bad guy. What are you doing with that inappropriate thought? You're letting it fester and grow. That is what is so disturbing about your post. Instead of running full tilt away from it, you're looking for a way to walk a tightrope and hope that because you're a good guy, you're going to be ok. Mr. Miyagi: Road. Walk on left side ok. Walk on right side ok. But walk in the middle of the road... sooner or later "quish" just like grape. The problem here is that your situation has no sides to it. You're choosing to get off the platform of your happy stable and safe marriage and get on a place where all you can do is walk down the center. Sooner or later, "quish" just like grape. It wasn't the terse delivery. It was the fact that you stated inappropriate feelings and then stated that you never said so. That is being disingenuous. Then you wanted to accuse others of not loving you enough. Would people who love you want you to continue down the path you're proposing? I'd submit not. Telling you the truth in some way that you might actually wake up to the awful state you find yourself in may be the greatest act of love we can offer you. If a woman came here talking about being abused, of course we'd be sympathetic. If you came here saying that you're looking for help in how to control yourself in a difficult situation, of course we'd be sympathetic. But you came here saying,"Hey, I'm a good guy. I'm rich. I'm handsome. And I want to continue having a good relationship with this sister-in-law that I have strong romantic feelings for. How can I do that?" Quick answer: You can't. You can only do one of two things: Distance yourself from her OR distance yourself from these feelings. End of story. So, if you're here trying to delude yourself into thinking you can walk that tightrope, I'm not going to sweet talk you into believing you can do so. That would be the exact opposite of helpful. Instead, I am warning you in the strongest terms possible: GET THYSELF OUT!!! If that comes off as terse to you, it is because what you're asking for simply cannot be. And you're going to find yourself among that statistic of successful men you spoke of. Telling you to get yourself as far away from this situation is the greatest act of love I can offer you over this internet interface. I pray you will listen, for your sake and the sake of your family.
  29. 6 points
    Vort

    Consider the Lilies

    I spent last night in a freezing cold tent, fully clothed, lying on a cot in a tragically misnamed "sleeping" bag. It rained all night, a cold rain, just enough to keep things mighty frigid. I may have gotten two hours of sleep. I had been asked to accompany our Scout troop to an activity that they do almost every year. They did it a few years ago, when I was the Scoutmaster. We can't miss it. So they needed help, and I volunteered. As part of the deal, I took my 11-year-old son, who is a Scout but not a member of the deacons-aged Scouts. I woke up this morning to my son's excitement about going with the Scouts through Ape Cave, a lava tube near Mount Saint Helens -- our yearly Scout ritual. He helped fix breakfast for the troop, after which we broke camp and left for the cave. I am 54 years old. How much I've aged the last three or four years!I was running for most of the first half of the year, and was in the best shape I've been in for probably a decade or more. But in August, I started a position at work that required a lot of time, and I have pretty much abandoned my exercise program for the last three months. The result is that I am old, fat, and weak. The cave was a real challenge for me -- very, very hard going, not honest-to-goodness spelunking (which I realistically could not have done), but definitely a hard hike scrambling over rocks and large boulders for well over a mile, after a fairly steep hike over snowy ground to reach the upper mouth of the cave. My son was jumping rock to rock and practically ran through the cave, while I tottered behind like an 80-year-old. My slowness held up the whole group to some extent, which was embarrassing -- but it's not like I asked to be 54. Or, wait, maybe I did. I'm not sure. In any case, the last thousand meters or so was pure determination, mind over matter (where "matter" is understood to mean sore hips and aching knees). I don't think I'll be doing Ape Caves again, at least in this lifetime. If I do, I will only do it if I've been exercising enough not to be a detriment to the hike. But with age comes some blessings. While driving the three-plus hours it took to get home, I was listening to General Conference. I finished the last two talks in the Priesthood Session and started on the Sunday Morning session. But this time, I was struck when I heard the Choir's rendition of Consider the Lilies. I have heard this performance probably two dozen times. It's very popular. It's pretty and melodic, and the words are sweet. But it was more than that this time. For some reason, it seemed to penetrate into me. I kept relistening to it, probably a dozen or more times just in the drive, and found myself weeping as I drove. Feeling emotion is not the same as feeling the Spirit. But deeply feeling honest emotion is not far removed from the Spirit; in fact, the Spirit will often elicit deep emotions, which I believe is why some people cry while bearing testimony and such. I believe this experience was not only emotion; I think it was some sort of witness of the Spirit. Perhaps "witness" is not quite the right word. It was a lesson, teaching me -- something. I don't have words for it, but I could feel it. It was as if the Spirit were opening my heart to understand more fully how the Lord sees his children. I do not believe in magic; that's superstition. But there are a few things in this world that look to me like pure magic, something beyond explanation or even comprehension. One is the love between a man and his wife, and between a parent at his or her child. Another is music -- how can it even be? It's like a butterfly, unbelievable that such a creature can even exist. Or a rainbow. Music seems to bypass all of our language-based understanding and intelligence, and somehow appeals directly to our core. Even our hearing is hard-wired such that the nerves from our ears go, not to our higher centers of reasoning, but directly to the primitive core of our brain. Music has the power to blast past our defenses and preconceptions, which of course is why it's such a terrifying weapon when used for evil purposes. But used for Godly ends, it teaches us in a way that perhaps no other thing can. Still, I want to understand how this song suddenly started affecting me so deeply. What is the arrangements of words, notes, and harmonies that produces such an effect? Sadly, I haven't developed my musical understanding as much as I might have. I'll have to repent of that. If Eowyn were still here, she could probably explain a lot of this. Maybe someone else can. Let me give my own take, and those who know more can chime in to provide more insight. Here's the Youtube version I'll be talking about: The text for the hymn is based on Matthew 6:28-30 (also found in Luke 12): This is a pastoral sermon, filled with love, encouragement, and gentle chiding. The hymn changes the context of the words, from instruction on how to faithfully serve God without worrying about matters of the flesh to an encouraging ballad of hope to overcome discouragement. I don't think the change does violence to the words, though; the changed context highlights other applications of these ideas. That seems fair game. The Lord leads his sheep across winding mountain paths, but does so to take them to the meadows where they feed -- the meadows he knows well. The text does not stay strictly faithful to scripture; but again, I think the additions don't diminish the message. (Though one can argue about overly sentimental "doctrine" that perhaps borders on false, or at least presumptuous, as "Consider the sweet, tender children who must suffer on this Earth / The pains of all of them he carried from the day of his birth." Mmmmm...I don't think so. But it's pretty, and it's touching, and it's a sweet sentiment.) The words lead us down a path: In the first verse, we consider the lilies of the field, how God clothes them, and the birds of the sky, how God feeds them. In the second verse, we consider the lambs of his fold -- us -- and how the Good Shepherd keeps them safe and feeds those who trust him. Then, in the third verse, we're asked to consider "the sweet, tender children who must suffer on this Earth". A tug at the heartstrings, no doubt. But the masterful part comes more subtlely, when we are told that God "will heal those who trust him." Wow. What a deeply touching idea. And coming immediately after the emotional consideration of suffering children, it speaks to us (or to me). He feeds the lambs of his fold, and those who trust him, he heals. Maybe even me. Looking at the music, it's in 4/4 time and is fairly slow, around 65 beats per minute. This is about the same as a resting heart rate. I don't think that's coincidental; the hymn is paced similar to our heart so that we will sync with the melody and feel it in our bodies. The melody itself is quite conjunct and smooth; I believe the musical term is legato, an Italian word that literally means "tied"*. This term arises, I assume, because the notes are close to each other in pitch, each note flowing smoothly into the next, and thus they are "tied" to each other. (*Legato is the past participle of legare "to tie". This is just the regular verb for tying things, like shoelaces or tent cords, not some special or specialized term.) The melody does have dramatic jumps in pitch, as at 48 seconds. The effect of this octave jump is pronounced; it emphasizes "clothes" (and "feeds", and later "heals"), and makes us sit up and take notice. Because it's consonant and still at the mild pace, it's also quite beautiful. But that isn't the best trick, not by a long shot. Remember the change in verse 3, how the wording gets more intimate and emotional? That is set up for us by the music. Look at what happens at 2:32. We have a key change, but it happens in a very clever way*: The phrase, sung in the key of E major (I think, if I remembered the note correctly when I went down to discover it on the piano), resolves on its fundamental pitch (which would be E, obviously). The soprano notes for "with his eye" are all E, but the last one, for "eye", is sung in a chord that is not in the key of E. That is, it's an E sung in a chord of a different key - I believe it's in the key of F major, because that's what the rest of the hymn is in. So you get this magical key change, when the singers sing their resolution on the fundamental, except -- surprise! -- it's not the fundamental any more! Something else is! Seriously, how is that even possible? We have the great Western musicians of the high Medieval period and through the Renaissance to thank for this stuff -- but still, how could they not have been inspired by divine light? *Maybe it's not that clever. Maybe this is standard composer stuff. I wouldn't know. But to me, it's miraculous. It's magic. How would anyone ever even think that up? So the point is, that key change trick happens right before the third verse. We were expecting resolution, but we didn't get it. Instead, we got a signal that things were changing, and we're going to get something more important, and in a new (higher, more heroic) key. And that's when we hear about the sweet, tender children who suffer, and then hear about how Jesus not only feeds, but heals the sheep of his fold. These are things that are way over my head. I want to understand them, but I really just shake my head in wonder at the magic. And if I understood how these things worked, I guarantee you that wouldn't diminish their magical character one bit. It would just be all the more amazing to know how we can inspire feelings and perhaps even spiritual awakenings in the breast of our fellow beings by a clever arrangement of notes and words, like speech itself, only amplified in effect.
  30. 5 points
    Hello everyone I am new and know absolutely nothing about this church. The other day I was at home, upset about life in general, and two young men knocked on my door from The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, what a long name that is! They came back a couple of days later and gave me a book of mormon to read, they were really lovely and I have agreed to read it and have a lesson with them next week. I do not know anyone who is religious so I found this forum online for help and advice. Is there anything other than reading some of the book of mormon that I should do to prepare for this lesson? What part of it do you think I should read first? Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.
  31. 5 points
    Thank you! To update, she is going to get her temple recommend in about a week when she meets with her Bishop again. She’s been doing very well! On top of that, we’re looking at a late spring wedding!😁
  32. 5 points
  33. 5 points
    Blossom76

    Original Book Of Mormon V 2.0

    Yes I believe that they can - thank you that simple question just helped more than you know, changed my viewpoint so to speak. Thanks
  34. 5 points
    Blossom76

    Original Book Of Mormon

    Thank you, and just to be clear, I have no issue with polygamy being part of the history of the LDS church. I do however have an issue with an LDS movie just 'not including' any of Joseph's other wives in a movie that covers the timeline of his life, it is deceptive and I can understand how the women in my ward don't know Joseph Smith was a polygamist (they were quite upset by the idea too I might add). They don't have to explain polygamy in the movie, but at least ONE of Joseph's other wives should have been included in that movie, they were a part of his life after all. This movie and others like it are the movies that missionaries ask investigators to watch, these are the movies women in my ward show their children. Yes the church is open about polygamy IF you ask, IF you go looking for it. If you don't, you can live your whole life and never know. I'm just not comfortable with that. I don't think it's right, and had you seen the looks on the faces of the women at my ward I'm sure you would agree with me. And these were life long members too, they looked at me like I was the devil himself. I felt awful. At Church we (just the women in Relief Society) were discussing the political push for same sex marriage in Australia and one of the women brought up the fact that it would open the door for other 'disgusting' marriage practices like polygamy, I just stood up for Joseph Smith and said 'how can you think its disgusting when the prophet himself lived plural marriage' didn't go down well at all.
  35. 5 points
    NeuroTypical

    Confession Questions

    This isn't a "bring and share your beliefs" board. This is a "learn about all things LDS" board. You've got to expect us to think we're right here. When I go to the CAF boards, my beliefs and teachings only get accepted to the extent to which they align with Catholic belief and teaching. Otherwise, I've come to expect correction and folks pointing out where they think I'm wrong. I have noticed a lot of Catholics like to toss around terms like "condescending" and "disingenuous" a whole lot more than I do.
  36. 5 points
    Jane_Doe

    Original Book Of Mormon

    Everyone, let's get off @Blossom76's case. She's been with us for a while, has proven herself as an honest investigator, and a very fine person. Yes, those of us on the forum have heard anti-folks play troll / wolf-in-sheep's clothing with this very question 99 times. But Blossom is NOT such a person. Let us not turn away the 1 honest seeker just because we've seen 99 trolls.
  37. 5 points
    zil

    Original Book Of Mormon

    And just in case it's these, here's someone's explanation of these: https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book_of_Mormon/Textual_changes
  38. 5 points
  39. 5 points
    Grunt

    Missionaries

    I understand I'm more "feverish" about gaining knowledge than some. However, I'm taking it seriously. I don't want to find something I can't get my head around AFTER I'm baptized. It's not a sprint, it's a marathon. "Endure to the end" Still, I'm getting to the point now, though, where I'm almost comfortable enough that I can just back away from a discussion that frustrates me, like today, and they don't really shake my faith. I'm not convinced I have to agree with everything the Church "suggests" or even to a point, teaches. I need to obey the law of God. That's about it, really. He lays out the path to salvation.
  40. 5 points
    Grieved--that's how I felt seeing a bumper sticker that said: Christian Democrat: I can pray and think. It tells of one who is more comfortable with non-believers than with "brothers/sisters," who apparently can't think. Similar feelings arise when I hear, "How can you call yourself a Christian and vote for ... support/oppose ...?" Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives--we can all be guilty. BUT, we must not. We must stop this! Again, this year, families are eating apart at Thanksgiving, because political disagreements led to hard feelings and broken fellowship. Those of us who name Jesus as our example ought to remember that He asked Father to forgive his murderers--as well as those mocking Him while He was dying. Less pride, less talk...more humility, more listening. Let us love one another for ... God is love.
  41. 5 points
    Jane_Doe

    Heavenly Mother & Mother Mary

    (Adding my voice to the choir) First of all Heavenly Mother is NOT the virgin Mary. They are completely separate people. Heavenly Mother: it is known that She exists, but that's about it (remember, LDS believe that God has many more wonderful things to reveal to us). Here's official essay summing up the little that is known https://www.lds.org/topics/mother-in-heaven?lang=eng The Virgin Mary: was a human woman, highly favored of the Lord, but not divine or perfect like Christ. LDS don't believe in The Original Sin, so Mary's immaculate conception isn't really applicable at all. She was a virgin when she conceived Christ through the Holy Spirit, as described in Luke. She later married Joseph and the two of them had children together. When Christ died He asked John to look after her. LDS do not believe in the ascension of Mary nor praying to her for intercession (or anyone else for intercession). She's talked about in the Bible obviously, but also in the Book of Mormon like: Mary was a virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins, 1 Ne. 11:13–20. Christ’s mother was to be called Mary, Mosiah 3:8. Mary would be a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, Alma 7:10. More verses: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/mary-mother-of-jesus?lang=eng
  42. 5 points
    dahlia

    Can evil spirits read?

    I think some people here said the Adversary would try to stop my baptism. Please. I don't function at the whim of some spirit. Why do LDS (and some other Protestant groups) get all worried about the devil? God and Jesus have more power than evil. I focus on them. And if I get sick or in an accident (or have an $800 car repair bill, donations accepted...), it's because I was exposed to germs, or a woman hit me in the parking lot, or my 12 yr old car will need repairs sometimes, it's not because of Satan. Good grief.
  43. 5 points
    A word to the wise, Alex: Posts like this don't make you look knowledgeable and don't increase your credibility. They do rather the opposite, coming across as insecure self-promotion. You will do much better trying to argue your points on their merits. Whether you succeed or fail, you will be respected more for having offered your honest thoughts, however weak they may appear. This is also a surprisingly friendly group. If you stick around a while, you might find friends and learn stuff. Of course, if your purpose is more to instruct others on how smart you are and how they need what you're selling, you probably won't last long. I offer the earnest suggestion that you choose the first option. It's the more profitable route.
  44. 5 points
    I think it should be considered a crime, regardless of whether the person is in power or not. It is a big deal when someone touches sacred parts of your body without permission, regardless of what wicked frat-boy culture says. A really big deal.
  45. 5 points
    Just_A_Guy

    Depression, testimony stuggles.

    I really can’t add anything, except that a surprising number of counselors will work on a sliding fee scale depending on the client’s income level. My understanding is that it’s a professional ethics thing that counselors are supposed to work within a client’s chosen cultural/religious tradition, not against it. I’d be thinking seriously about complaining to the licensing authority of any counselor who told me to leave my church.
  46. 5 points
    In politics, in business, in marriage, in all sorts of stuff, it often seems that the cover up and denial generates more anger and mistrust than the act that is being covered up. I suspect that it would be helpful for both of you to educate yourself together on the nature of addiction, how/when/why it occurs, and what can be done about it. I'm sure there are a lot of good resources, both in the church and in the community that you could watch/read/listen to together, and then discuss together. A lot of fear and uncertainty is generated by ignorance and misunderstanding, whereas an informed understanding is more likely to lead to compassion, support and empathy. ps Don't discount the possibility that she already knows or suspects, based on changes in your behaviour, and is just waiting and hoping for you to come forward and tell her. Sometimes observant partners can know when these things are happening.
  47. 5 points
    Grunt

    Let's talk Moore

    Pick one. Some of them have witnesses. Others circumstantial evidence that contradicts his defense. I would never sit out an election. I'd write someone in. The level of evidence I require isn't fixed, I view each case on its own merit. I also don't care what the motivation was for coming forward now. Of course, it was politically compelled. I only care about his character. In a Republic, character matters. Suppose you robbed my house and was caught by my neighbor. You promised to split the money with him if he stayed quiet. A month goes by without you paying him, so he comes to me and turns you in. His motivation isn't pure, but that doesn't change the fact that you still robbed me. Many people put the party over the character when voting. I have a difficult time doing that. Even if I cave in the ballot box, I can't provide public support. That would speak poorly of my own character.
  48. 5 points
    Carborendum

    Best. Tweet. Ever.

    Yes, that was pretty good. But I think he got that from Reagan. Obviously, Reagan did it with much more class.
  49. 5 points
    Grunt

    Missionaries

    Here's the story: A few weeks ago I was in town to pick up the kids and my bride called and asked me to stop at the grocery store. I pulled into the parking lot but there was no place to park (we'd been without power for 3 days due to a storm) so I decided it wasn't worth it. I missed my exit out of the parking lot and the next one had someone blocking it so I went all the way around back. I noticed a car with the hood up and a lady fishing through her trunk. I always carry an emergency pack so I stopped. She was agitated and I calmed her down while going to start her car. While hooking up my battery pack her ex-husband came up to us. He was helping but it wasn't the battery and the plugs were firing, so he went in to get some starter fluid. Since my battery pack was dead, I moved my truck up to use cables. He leaned in my truck and noticed my church program. He immediately started talking about religion and then said they had come there because of their son, who had attempted to hurt himself earlier in the week, said he was going to end it. They went in to talk to him (he worked in the market) but he wouldn't talk to them and they didn't want to embarrass him so they left. The wife began crying. Most people in the military have collateral duties. One of mine is Suicide Intervention Officer (SIO). One of the things I know is if a person has taken steps to gain means to kill themselves and expresses an intent, you don't leave them alone. I expressed this to them and they argued about it for awhile (mom didn't want to embarrass him) then asked me to talk to him. They asked me to pray with them before going in. Thinking Mormons had a special prayer for everyone, I called a member of the ward (AWESOME family) and asked him if there was a special prayer to say. He offered to come down and I accepted. He also had his wife pick up my kids since I was not going to make it in time if I stayed there. He came, we prayed, then entered the supermarket. The kid ran into the bathroom and the father followed, made it in, and they argued. I got the father out and talked the kid out of the bathroom. I calmed him down and after much chatter got him to agree to check out of work and go to the hospital. I spoke to his manager and informed him there was a family emergency and he agreed to let him go. He refused to ride with his parents, so I drove him to the hospital and got him checked in. This whole process took hours, but it's been boring enough if you managed to read this far. I spoke to dad about church because he kept saying God brought me there. Maybe there is truth to that. I hadn't planned on going to the store. I went there before I picked up the kids. I decided not to go in. I missed two exits. I stopped, even though I was running a little late. I had a program on my seat. Her hood was up. Etc Etc. Lots of things had to happen to make this work. It felt divinely arranged. I invited him to church, but when he emailed me later he said this was a spiritual event for him and he has been talking to his pastor. I offered to let the missionaries visit him, but he seemed more hung up on his pastor. Because he was saying it was God's intervention, I reminded him that God didn't send a pastor to the parking lot, so maybe he ought to speak with the missionaries. He agreed, and they met last week. It all just seems odd, and the more time that passes the less divine it seems.
  50. 5 points
    Take your advice. Start changing this attitude: I have a husband and 2 sons. You basically just called them degenerates. I also have a brother who is a doctor and you basically just accused him of being a sexual predator. Yes, you CALLED THEM DEGENERATES because you applied the sins of SOME MEN to MEN IN GENERAL in that statement. And when your default thinking leads to these types of generalizations it means you have a VERY LOW OPINION OF MEN. And that's what rules your attitude towards modesty. I don't remember if you're married or not or have a boyfriend or if you're in charge of raising boys. If you are, you are doing all of them a disservice and I hope this toxic attitude is not near any of the men in your sphere of influence. Were you the one that accused the SLC Temple of displaying pornography?