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  1. I believe, speaking collectively, the Church/leadership is “infallible” in its role of teaching people to approach God, receive revelation, and walk in the paths of salvation. That doesn’t necessarily mean I think *everything* it does or says is 100% accurate, objectively speaking—but if we follow it as though it is, then in the grand eternal scheme of things we’ll be just fine.
  2. I don’t see anything in the article saying the perps are Muslims; and the vast majority of that country are of the Hindu belief.
  3. Just_A_Guy

    What Would You Do? LDS vs. Homosexuality

    In a church guided by revelation, it’s often imprudent to use the word “never” when hypothesizing future revelations or policies. That said, I agree with @Fether that the Church has institutionally entrenched itself on the issue of the eternal and absolute immorality of gay sex, in a way it never did on the issues of priesthood or polygamy. There are a multitude of church policy developments that would theologically easier to reconcile than the scenario you describe—up to and including the re-institution of polygamy, marriage at 14, animal sacrifice, re-definition of “tithing” as twenty percent instead of ten, a new United Order, and the Church seeking recognition as a secular government. So, that being said, let me do a little turnabout, @pwrfrk: What keeps you from waking up tomorrow morning and reading that Russ Nelson has married his fourteen-year-old great-granddaughter’s best friend. What would you do in such a situation?
  4. Just_A_Guy

    Church donates to Affirmation

    Given that you and I have both used the word “some”, I hope we are talking about different subsets of the gay-rights movement. But to deny that either of those subsets exists, would demand that one or both of us ignore the evidence before our own eyes:
  5. Just_A_Guy

    Church donates to Affirmation

    There’s a big surprise! That’s an incredib—I think I’m gonna have a heart attack and die, of not surprise— (Oh, you’re referring to a different Iago . . .)
  6. Just_A_Guy

    Church donates to Affirmation

    I do. I base it on the way I have seen some Affirmation members deal with gay Mormons who announce their intention to remain celibate: ”Well, it’s your choice, of course. But gee, that doesn’t sound fulfilling. Do you think it’d be fulfilling? I don’t think it would be fulfilling to go through life alone. Aren’t you afraid of being alone? I don’t know how I’d find meaning, or even live. How do you find meaning, or live? I just couldn’t do it. Could you do it? I don’t know how you can do it. Are you sure you can do it? Really sure? I think I’d kill myself. Don’t you think about killing yourself? ‘Cause you know your church is saying you have no worth alive. I don’t know how you do it, you poor, poor dear . . .” It’s a familiar tactic to those of us who have read Othello. And the ultimate questions are: who ghoulishly tries to use these suicides for political gain? And which side has significant players in a major huff because the LDS Church is now donating resources that are calculated to reduce the number of gay Mormon suicides? Sorry, @lostinwater; but major subsets of this group are playing for keeps; and they don’t care who they hurt in the process. The sooner we understand that, the more accurately we can plan for what’s coming.
  7. Just_A_Guy

    Church donates to Affirmation

    From what I gather, it wasn’t a direct cash grant. The Church basically said “choose some of your people to get some specialized suicide prevention training, and we’ll foot the bill for the training”. This made me feel better about the donation; because frankly—I think a lot of people in Affirmation (not everyone, but a lot) secretly like gay Mormon suicides; because they find them politically useful. Heaven knows, it’s not the conservatives who are telling gay Mormon kids that the value of their lives is contingent on their ability to have a fulfilling sex life.
  8. I wouldn’t try to label the status quo at all—it immediately puts people on the defensive. Rather, I’d say something along the lines of “I want the girls to have as many good experiences as the boys are having, and it’d be easier to do that if both groups were operating on similar budgets”. Also, dwelling at length about how important women and girls are to you, may inadvertently suggest that you think your bishop doesn’t share these values—again, putting him immediately on the defensive. I don’t think you need to go there. You know that you and he both want quality programs for the girls as well as the boys. You know that you both probably agree, in principle, that “fairness” is a good thing. You know that your ward is strapped for leadership to run its youth programs; and that probably causes him many more sleepless nights than it does you. Build on those commonalities. Finally - be willing to help in implementing a solution. As a new Cub Scout leader, understand that parity in funding will probably mean you will be expected to do more with less. If you want the girls to have recognition like the boys do, you’re going to get further if you either accommodate them at your own Cub Scout activities or make sure the activity days leadership knows you’re ready to help them build a parallel program.
  9. Just_A_Guy

    Church donates to Affirmation

    I’m betting she was hoping the Church would say “no” and that they could use it for more PR. And it makes me wonder how many others in the Affirmation gang were thinking the same way.
  10. Just_A_Guy

    Church donates to Affirmation

    Ha! Crazy like a fox, are we.
  11. Just_A_Guy

    Changing Mind About Trump

    I wonder if Trump’s just getting tired of all the Winning?
  12. Just_A_Guy

    Changing Mind About Trump

    Yeah, it was ugly.
  13. Just_A_Guy

    Changing Mind About Trump

    McMullin did pretty well in Utah, relatively speaking. I voted for him myself, but have been disappointed by his post-election knee-jerk anti-Trumpism on Every Single Issue (there’s a lot wrong with Trump; but when he’s right he’s right and it needs to be acknowledged), as well as McMullin’s apparent failure to make arrangements for the payment of his campaign debts. There was also, independent of McMullin, a much-ballyhooed United Utah party that formed last year and, last I heard, has pretty much gone nowhere. These conspiracy theories about McMullin being a Romney stooge are nonsense, though. I know from several sources that McMullin saw Romney as a natural ally and repeatedly begged for Romney support—but was rebuffed consistently. For some reason, Romney did *not* want to see McMullin get any real traction.
  14. Just_A_Guy

    Changing Mind About Trump

    To be fair, there’s a big difference between what Trump says and what he does. Now, I happen to believe that American interests are better served when we have a fundamentally honest president who says just what he means. But, 60% of negotiations and 90% of press photo ops are BS anyways. Look at what Trump’s State Department does with Russia whole he’s on the golf course—I’m rolling my eyes a lot, but not really outraged or worried. This is no puppet regime we have here. The Clintonian view is that foreigners can give as much money as they want, so long as they don’t say anything on social media. Buying elections = good. Adding an international dimension to civic discourse = worthy of a special prosecutor.
  15. Sure, lots of American things are stupid. You’ve got me there. But we haven’t yet figured out how to monopolize the concept. Look, skippy. Either you’ve got the hots for each other, or you don’t. If you do, then spending a night together IN A FREAKING BED the night before your temple wedding is a darned foolish thing to do. If you aren’t attracted to each other, then marrying each other is a darned foolish thing to do. And sure, I’m not being very “nice”. You know what else isn’t nice? Complacency, and pride, and fornication, and justifying recklessness with jingoistic smugness.