Guest MormonGator Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Carborendum said: I was only 93 back then. You forgot what day my birthday was. What do you expect? You didn't appreciate the bottle of scotch I sent you to celebrate your 80th birthday, ingrate. ( @zil, seriously, aren't you mad you can't "like" these? I'm giving you gold here!) Edited August 16, 2017 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just remember folks, y'all had the chance to scoop our church leaders over 9 months ago. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 15 hours ago, Godless said: I believe this second statement was made in response to a very outspoken and widely-followed LDS sister on Twitter who has been quite supportive of the "Unite the Right" movement. She has since made several remarks criticizing the church for (in her perception) turning its back on "white culture". She's a real piece of work. You must be talking about the woman who has a blog and tweets as Wife With a Purpose. If it is...then yeah she is totally a piece of work. prisonchaplain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MormonGator said: What do you expect? You didn't appreciate the bottle of scotch I sent you to celebrate your 80th birthday, ingrate. If you do the math, that would mean that you would be at least 64 years old. You look awfully spry for a man of your years. Edited August 16, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, pam said: You must be talking about the woman who has a blog and tweets as Wife With a Purpose. If it is...then yeah she is totally a piece of work. The damage people like her do to the church is unfathomable. I am SO PROUD that the church condemned that lunatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, MormonGator said: The damage people like her do to the church is unfathomable. I am SO PROUD that the church condemned that lunatic. I've not seen anything yet on any thoughts the Church has regarding her. But if she continues her own racists remarks, she will come to their attention if not already. prisonchaplain, Sunday21 and Suzie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, pam said: I've not seen anything yet on any thoughts the Church has regarding her. But if she continues her own racists remarks, she will come to their attention if not already. By "the church" I mean 95% of it's members, maybe not the official church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, MormonGator said: By "the church" I mean 95% of it's members, maybe not the official church. It was interesting seeing a post from a former coworker today regarding her. He is not LDS but his comments were pretty much in line with my own thoughts. He hoped that the LDS Church would distance themselves away from her as what she was doing was not good for the LDS image. Sunday21 and prisonchaplain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, pam said: It was interesting seeing a post from a former coworker today regarding her. He is not LDS but his comments were pretty much in line with my own thoughts. He hoped that the LDS Church would distance themselves away from her as what she was doing was not good for the LDS image. It's horrible for our image. Like it or not, to the outside world the church has had some "issues" with race. This is the LAST thing the church needs right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, MormonGator said: The damage people like her do to the church is unfathomable. I am SO PROUD that the church condemned that lunatic. It does pain me to say it, but there's more than one LDS white-supremacist neo-nazi lunatic out there. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2017/08/beyond-repulsive-far-beyond.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, NeuroTypical said: It does pain me to say it, but there's more than one LDS white-supremacist neo-nazi lunatic out there. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2017/08/beyond-repulsive-far-beyond.html The sad part is that anti-LDS people will use this as a stick to beat the church with. They'll claim that the majority of the members think like these idiots do. Which could not be further from the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) I'm a little surprised that racism is still such a big problem in America. I guess if you are raised around really stupid ideas (such as being a racist), you carry those ideas onto adulthood. I was not raised around racism, so it all hits me as a bunch of craziness, mixed with low class, low education, small minds. If my daughter wants to marry a black guy or a Latino guy or an Asian guy or an Aborigine or an Arab or whatever, I am perfectly fine with it! If the guy is a good, active Mormon, I don't care what color his skin is. It might even be kind of cool to have a son in law of a different race! As for Wife with a Purpose, never heard of her! Sounds like that may be a good thing. Edited August 16, 2017 by DoctorLemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: It does pain me to say it, but there's more than one LDS white-supremacist neo-nazi lunatic out there. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2017/08/beyond-repulsive-far-beyond.html Sorry. I've known Daniel Peterson for years and I would never ever call him an LDS white supremacist neo nazi lunatic. Far from it. prisonchaplain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 38 minutes ago, zil said: So, zil is having a special today: No likes for anyone! Welcome to my world... Sunday21 and zil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snigmorder Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 White supremacy is considered evil. But would anyone feel comfortable in a state of black supremacy? With black supremacy comes Black cultural and political supremacy, I'd head for the hills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, pam said: Sorry. I've known Daniel Peterson for years and I would never ever call him an LDS white supremacist neo nazi lunatic. Far from it. Not sure why you're saying that, Pam. This link is Dr. Peterson's article about the LDS neo-Nazis he learned about. It's sort of an important read... http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2017/08/beyond-repulsive-far-beyond.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, NeuroTypical said: Not sure why you're saying that, Pam. This link is Dr. Peterson's article about the LDS neo-Nazis he learned about. It's sort of an important read... http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2017/08/beyond-repulsive-far-beyond.html I read his article the day it came out and I guess I'm reading it differently. Knowing Dan I just know the kind of person he is. prisonchaplain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, estradling75 said: Welcome to my world... Apparently, the UTC clock has rolled past the point where I gave @prisonchaplain a gazillion likes and I'm like-able again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, pam said: I read his article the day it came out and I guess I'm reading it differently. Knowing Dan I just know the kind of person he is. NT isn't saying DP is the neo-Nazi, he's saying DP wrote an article exposing (and denouncing) LDS neo-Nazis. I think you two are on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, zil said: Apparently, the UTC clock has rolled past the point where I gave @prisonchaplain a gazillion likes and I'm like-able again... Sigh.... so few visit and even fewer stay... zil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, zil said: NT isn't saying DP is the neo-Nazi, he's saying DP wrote an article exposing (and denouncing) LDS neo-Nazis. I think you two are on the same page. Thanks. Maybe I was misunderstanding NT's comment. I thought he was referring to Dan as the lunatic. prisonchaplain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, DoctorLemon said: I'm a little surprised that racism is still such a big problem in America. I guess if you are raised around really stupid ideas (such as being a racist), you carry those ideas onto adulthood. Well, kind of. I was raised by a WWII vet born in 1922. He carried many of the prejudices of the time. Example: My dad told the story umpteen times about how "black soldiers in WWII stole everything that wasn't nailed down." I don't think he ever actually met one, it's just those are the stories he was immersed in, and those are the stories he told me. He also had a cold, edged hatred towards the Japanese, which only slightly dulled during his lifetime. I also witnessed his acts of charity to people in hard situations, which included his hated minorities. I never got a straight answer out of him about how "blacks" and "Japanese" were such horrible people, but "that guy who was down on his luck" was a perfectly acceptable person, even though he may have been black or Japanese. I don't think my dad had a straight answer to give. But for whatever reason, I didn't carry any of that stuff with me into adulthood. In fact, I remember listening to his stories at an early age, and thinking he was off base. I figure there will always be evil pockets of things like racism. We can't wipe it out totally, we just need to denounce it whenever we see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, pam said: Thanks. Maybe I was misunderstanding NT's comment. I thought he was referring to Dan as the lunatic. Ah - nope. Here's how it went in my mind: Mormongator: I am SO PROUD that the church condemned that lunatic. Me: There's more than one of them. Here's an article where Dr. Peterson talks about lots of them. Pam: Dr. Peterson isn't a neo-Nazi! Me: *confuzzled* zil, Suzie and pam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, DoctorLemon said: I'm a little surprised that racism is still such a big problem in America. I guess if you are raised around really stupid ideas (such as being a racist), you carry those ideas onto adulthood. I was not raised around racism, so it all hits me as a bunch of craziness, mixed with low class, low education, small minds. If my daughter wants to marry a black guy or a Latino guy or an Asian guy or an Aborigine or an Arab or whatever, I am perfectly fine with it! If the guy is a good, active Mormon, I don't care what color his skin is. It might even be kind of cool to have a son in law of a different race! The root of racism is much more fundamental than that. Humanity wants, even needs, to categorize things. And there are some benefits to this behavior. It relieves us from the cumbersome task of learning everything by itself. If we recognize the patterns and similarities of things in the same category, it gives us a hint as to some other similar characteristics as well. Science is full of such things. This mentality is carried over into all our thinking. If we can't categorize, we can't really analyze effectively. Logic kind of goes out the window when we say every single thing and every single occurrence is unique. Logic required that we categorize or else, we can't make hypotheses or derive conclusions. Evidence is useless. Science is useless. Knowing that, we then realize that the primary method humans use for learning things is our eyes. Our eyes see skin color and physical features. Hence, racism. While all this is completely natural and will always be common, it doesn't make it good behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) My only defense is that God does it too. What with all His talk of His covenant/chosen people, and folks chosen to be led to choice lands of inheritance, and pruning/burning the wild branches of the olive tree, and all that. If you're in the business of finding people who draw circles and point out that you're either inside the circle or outside, you're finding God in that group. Of course, God is big on allowing people to pick for themselves if they want to be inside or outside the circle, but yes, absolutely, there's a circle. Edited August 16, 2017 by NeuroTypical eddified 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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