The Case for Modesty in All Things

[jewels8]

Just now, jewels8 said:

She often has severe back pain.  Sometimes she gets her nerves "burned", I guess, but it only helps temporarily.

Sorry, I tried posting this under Mormon Gator's post.

[jewels8]

16 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

There's a lot of focus in this post specifically on clothing (or rather lack there of).

Now, moving beyond that the subject of clothing, how else are you being modest?

Jane, please see my posts below, and thank you for addressing that their are other aspects of modesty, as it says in the title.

[Jane_Doe]

16 minutes ago, jewels8 said:

Jane, please see my posts below, and thank you for addressing that their are other aspects of modesty, as it says in the title.

Could you highlight them for me?  Again, my particular interest is things not relating to clothing/sex (either literally wearing, thinking of it, etc).  

[jewels8]

7 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

Could you highlight them for me?  Again, my particular interest is things not relating to clothing/sex (either literally wearing, thinking of it, etc).  

I understand.  I do feel like too much was emphasized on that too.  I am not good with computers, but I will try to figure out how to high light it.  Thank you.

[jewels8]

I tried highlighting aspects of modesty that have to do mainly with our speech for Jane, but .  it came up in blue, but then I would scroll down and when I came back, it wasn't highlighted anymore.

[NeuroTypical]

18 hours ago, jewels8 said:

I also am concerned about the debate that nudity is art.  It disgusts and bothers me that anyone would choose to use the human body uncovered or almost uncovered as art or as a statue.  I don't think Heavenly Father would think that is the best thing to do, and there are some scriptures that seem to show he wants people to be dressed.  I imagine that includes replicas of people.  If our bodies are sacred and holy, why in the world would anyone want to display them that way?  Even if it wasn't meant to be sexual?

Did you know that the Angel Moroni statues that adorn our temples, are created in a process that involves nudity?  Take a look, or don't if you feel just reading about it might hamper your ability to feel the spirit in the temple.

 

 

 

 

[jewels8]

4 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Did you know that the Angel Moroni statues that adorn our temples, are created in a process that involves nudity?  Take a look, or don't if you feel just reading about it might hamper your ability to feel the spirit in the temple.

 

 

 

 

I didn't know that, and no, I don't need to look, as i don't think its appropriate or necessary.  Some things just don't need to be thought of.  The creators may have to deal with that, but I don;t.  I don;t believe in seeking after those things if I am not making the statue.  Also, I am not so sure that its necessary in creating a statue of the Angel Moroni.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Did you know that the Angel Moroni statues that adorn our temples, are created in a process that involves nudity?  Take a look, or don't if you feel just reading about it might hamper your ability to feel the spirit in the temple.

 

 

I was not aware of that, but if I was, I don't think I would share it with others, no offense, and I appreciate you understanding I may not want to see that.  I just don't think it is necessary and I don't think I need it for my spiritual progression and growth.  If I were creating it, that may be different, but even then, I would think some detail could be eliminated , since he is dressed.  I am not going to look at it.   But I do think it is intended that we think of the significance of the Gospel being spread, that perhaps he is calling out to all the world with his trump to follow Christ.  

 

 

[Jane_Doe]

22 minutes ago, jewels8 said:

I tried highlighting aspects of modesty that have to do mainly with our speech for Jane, but .  it came up in blue, but then I would scroll down and when I came back, it wasn't highlighted anymore.

I didn't mean highlight as in what you do with the marker, but highlight as in reiterate or stress something.   Sorry that was unclear.

[NeuroTypical]

I guess the issue comes down to choosing to maintain barriers of ignorance as a way of avoiding encountering something that might hamper someone spiritually.  I guess that's your choice, and I don't really have an opinion about whether it's a good or bad choice.  Surely there's no shortage of things I wish I didn't know, and yes some of it is quite a burden.

Choosing ignorance gets problematic for others when you show up in a public space and start tossing around opinions that spring from that forced ignorance.   Because it's really easy to slip into unrighteous judgment, and basically impossible to avoid looking like you have.  

[jewels8]

19 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I guess the issue comes down to choosing to maintain barriers of ignorance as a way of avoiding encountering something that might hamper someone spiritually.  I guess that's your choice, and I don't really have an opinion about whether it's a good or bad choice.  Surely there's no shortage of things I wish I didn't know, and yes some of it is quite a burden.

Choosing ignorance gets problematic for others when you show up in a public space and start tossing around opinions that spring from that forced ignorance.   Because it's really easy to slip into unrighteous judgment, and basically impossible to avoid looking like you have.  

 

20 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I guess the issue comes down to choosing to maintain barriers of ignorance as a way of avoiding encountering something that might hamper someone spiritually.  I guess that's your choice, and I don't really have an opinion about whether it's a good or bad choice.  Surely there's no shortage of things I wish I didn't know, and yes some of it is quite a burden.

Choosing ignorance gets problematic for others when you show up in a public space and start tossing around opinions that spring from that forced ignorance.   Because it's really easy to slip into unrighteous judgment, and basically impossible to avoid looking like you have.  

I see what you are saying.  I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.  I do feel that in standing up for something in a particular way, there will always be someone who has a different idea.  Forums are designed to be able to express differing opinions and views, as well as those that are the same.  Even when trying to be careful, there will inevitably be differences in how it is taken, and of course, sometimes things can be worded in different and perhaps better ways.  I think, especially in this mortal existence, it is not possible for us to not be somewhat ignorant,or uninformed on certain things.  But I feel the prophets have counseled us to not "partake" of certain things, and that we will be better off for abiding by their counsel.  It may sometimes be easy and sometimes not, but I guess we have to each choose what will be beneficial for us and what will not.  Everyone is different in what that may be, but I also think there are some common important things we can all become one in.  I am not stating any specific things, and I am not thinking of specific things, just FYI.

[Guest MormonGator]

@jewels8, you'll have to forgive @NeuroTypical. He's the libertine of the forum. 

[jewels8]

8 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

@jewels8, you'll have to forgive @NeuroTypical. He's the libertine of the forum. 

 

[askandanswer]

18 hours ago, Fether said:

You opened a can of worms with that “art nudity” comment haha.

Hey wait, are these naked worms or dressed?

[jewels8]

56 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

I didn't mean highlight as in what you do with the marker, but highlight as in reiterate or stress something.   Sorry that was unclear.

That's ok, Jane.  I may not retype everything, I'm not good at copy & paste and I need to go do some things with my family, but the jist is that I also mentioned about being modest in thougths, speech and action.  I feel that gossip is hurtful to others and that when modest in speech, we avoid gossip, profanity, yelling, being demeaning, and avoid taking the Lord's name in vain.  We don't want to use words to bring make it harder for ourselves our others to think of things that are uplifting, virtuous, of good report or praiseworthy.  I feel it is important in this world to be more refined, more Chirst-like and to have a degree of reverence & sensitivity to certain things.  I feel we should not be proud, not try to do things to get or attract undue attention.  That we don't need to dress excessively, do not need to buy excessive things we don't need, we don't need to get into debt, hopefully, and there are just so many ways we can be modest in our day to day lives.  How we choose to live, what we chose to do with our time, how we serve our family and others.  Any other thoughts are welcome.

 

56 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

I didn't mean highlight as in what you do with the marker, but highlight as in reiterate or stress something.   Sorry that was unclear.

 

[anatess2]

22 hours ago, jewels8 said:

That we will be more like Him, think like Him, act like Him, feel toward others as He would.  I believe when people have that influence, they are more likely to be sensitive to the needs and feelings of others and maintain a degree of reverence about certain things. 

Take your advice.  Start changing this attitude:

On 11/10/2017 at 9:58 PM, jewels8 said:

Men just aren't very pure in their minds as much as we would hope.  What do they do on their time off?  What movies do they see?  What do they do on their computer? 

I have  a husband and 2 sons.  You basically just called them degenerates.  I also have a brother who is a doctor and you basically just accused him of being a sexual predator.  Yes, you CALLED THEM DEGENERATES because you applied the sins of SOME MEN to MEN IN GENERAL in that statement.  And when your default thinking leads to these types of generalizations it means you have a VERY LOW OPINION OF MEN.  And that's what rules your attitude towards modesty.

I don't remember if you're married or not or have a boyfriend or if you're in charge of raising boys.  If you are, you are doing all of them a disservice and I hope this toxic attitude is not near any of the men in your sphere of influence.  Were you the one that accused the SLC Temple of displaying pornography?  

Edited November 12, 2017 by anatess2

[jewels8]

6 hours ago, anatess2 said:

Take your advice.  Start changing this attitude:

I have  a husband and 2 sons.  You basically just called them degenerates.  I also have a brother who is a doctor and you basically just accused him of being a sexual predator.  Yes, you CALLED THEM DEGENERATES because you applied the sins of SOME MEN to MEN IN GENERAL in that statement.  And when your default thinking leads to these types of generalizations it means you have a VERY LOW OPINION OF MEN.  And that's what rules your attitude towards modesty.

I don't remember if you're married or not or have a boyfriend or if you're in charge of raising boys.  If you are, you are doing all of them a disservice and I hope this toxic attitude is not near any of the men in your sphere of influence.  Were you the one that accused the SLC Temple of displaying pornography?  

I think in all I have written, I have not accused all men of these things.  I think it is important to look at any post very carefully before responding.  I also think it is important to try to keep it in the context for which it is intended, and not assume things.  Just because someone states that these things sometimes, I stress sometimes happen, does not mean that the person stating it is of the mind that they are being accused of.  I think it is important to not take things too personally, as this is a general forum.    God bless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jewels8]

Remember, we will be judged in how we judge others.  The Boomerang Theory.  I wish you the best.  We all have things to work on and if we can overlook the mistakes and "mistakes" of others, Christ is more likely to overlook ours.  May peace reside in your heart through the grace of God.

[jewels8]

Just now, jewels8 said:

Remember, we will be judged in how we judge others.  The Boomerang Theory.  I wish you the best.  We all have things to work on and if we can overlook the mistakes and "mistakes" of others, Christ is more likely to overlook ours.  May peace reside in your heart through the grace of God.

Anatees, I am not trying to single you out.  We all need this reminder at times.

[jewels8]

6 hours ago, anatess2 said:

Take your advice.  Start changing this attitude:

I have  a husband and 2 sons.  You basically just called them degenerates.  I also have a brother who is a doctor and you basically just accused him of being a sexual predator.  Yes, you CALLED THEM DEGENERATES because you applied the sins of SOME MEN to MEN IN GENERAL in that statement.  And when your default thinking leads to these types of generalizations it means you have a VERY LOW OPINION OF MEN.  And that's what rules your attitude towards modesty.

I don't remember if you're married or not or have a boyfriend or if you're in charge of raising boys.  If you are, you are doing all of them a disservice and I hope this toxic attitude is not near any of the men in your sphere of influence.  Were you the one that accused the SLC Temple of displaying pornography?  

I am sorry, I should have worded some of what I said better.  That was not my intent.

 

[anatess2]

7 hours ago, jewels8 said:

I am sorry, I should have worded some of what I said better.  That was not my intent.

 

I quoted your EXACT words and even bolded the part that I directly responded to.  Then you tell me you didn't say these things?  Then you tell me I'm being judgmental and such judgment will boomerang against me.  Then you tried to recant what you said and now you're apologizing?

I don't know you.  I only know you from what you type here.  Be careful what you type so that you won't have to apologize all the time for saying something you didn't mean.  That's the good thing with writing as opposed to speaking.  You get unlimited chances to use the backspace key before you press Submit.

Edited November 13, 2017 by anatess2

[Guest]

On 11/12/2017 at 10:39 AM, anatess2 said:

Take your advice.  Start changing this attitude:

I have  a husband and 2 sons.  You basically just called them degenerates.  I also have a brother who is a doctor and you basically just accused him of being a sexual predator.  Yes, you CALLED THEM DEGENERATES because you applied the sins of SOME MEN to MEN IN GENERAL in that statement.  And when your default thinking leads to these types of generalizations it means you have a VERY LOW OPINION OF MEN.  And that's what rules your attitude towards modesty.

I don't remember if you're married or not or have a boyfriend or if you're in charge of raising boys.  If you are, you are doing all of them a disservice and I hope this toxic attitude is not near any of the men in your sphere of influence.  Were you the one that accused the SLC Temple of displaying pornography?  

I think we just need to get Jewel and Dillon in a forum and let them hash things out.

[anatess2]

20 hours ago, Carborendum said:

I think we just need to get Jewel and Dillon in a forum and let them hash things out.

I KNOW RIGHT???

 

[anatess2]

Okay, food for thought for @jewels8.

Do you know that women are less likely to get CPR from bystanders?  Why do you think that is?  I say, it doesn't help that there are too many people who think like you do about modesty.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/women-cpr-bystanders-study-suggests-51100552

 

Edited November 14, 2017 by anatess2