Feeling Isolated by everyone Non-Mormon

[Justme]

So I made a purchase to a "YouTube Academy" called JumpCut. I hoped it would teach me how to be a YouTuber, and make/advertise better videos. All I got, was some advice I could have gotten for free on regular YouTube channels, and a lot of lessons that included over-the-top vulgarity and over-all crudeness mixed in with standard YouTube advice. 

There was a community section, where someone posted a complaint about all the vulgarity. I agreed with it-- and totally got singled out and ostracized for being a non-cusser/family-friendly promoter. Although, I think it was the first time I have ever been called a pandering archaic minority that doesn't think outside of the proverbial box (cleaned/condensed version). Needless to say, I asked for cancellation (which I'm not sure they will agree too. ouch $$.)

Now I just feel isolated, period. I want to be apart of people's lives who aren't LDS. And even LDS people are hard because they are so, f.r.e.a.k.i.n.g. BUSY. I just want to make YouTube videos with my kids, and have clean fun with the people around me. Why is that so hard??  

[prisonchaplain]

Sounds like you just found a really bad community--one that has little respect for faith. Most non-LDS Christians, as well as Muslims, Orthodox Jews, and really most people of faith would applaud your appeal to classiness. I'm even guessing family-oriented non-religious folk could be appreciative. 

Edited May 2, 2018 by prisonchaplain

[Grunt]

6 hours ago, Justme said:

So I made a purchase to a "YouTube Academy" called JumpCut. I hoped it would teach me how to be a YouTuber, and make/advertise better videos. All I got, was some advice I could have gotten for free on regular YouTube channels, and a lot of lessons that included over-the-top vulgarity and over-all crudeness mixed in with standard YouTube advice. 

There was a community section, where someone posted a complaint about all the vulgarity. I agreed with it-- and totally got singled out and ostracized for being a non-cusser/family-friendly promoter. Although, I think it was the first time I have ever been called a pandering archaic minority that doesn't think outside of the proverbial box (cleaned/condensed version). Needless to say, I asked for cancellation (which I'm not sure they will agree too. ouch $$.)

Now I just feel isolated, period. I want to be apart of people's lives who aren't LDS. And even LDS people are hard because they are so, f.r.e.a.k.i.n.g. BUSY. I just want to make YouTube videos with my kids, and have clean fun with the people around me. Why is that so hard??  

First, kudos to you for adhering to your standards.  

I think this is one of the problems with social media.  You feel isolated because you aren't being viewed by people you don't know.  Why?  Break it down logically.  Can you make videos with your children regardless of the number of people who view them?  Of course.  You're focusing on the wrong end of the process.  MAKING the fun videos with your children is the important part.  Bond with them.  Teach them.  Enjoy the experience.  WATCHING the videos does nothing for you except give you a little joy when your view counter goes up.  How many views do you need before YOU consider it a success?  Don't evaluate yourself on your views.  The real joy is in the production.

That said, find topics that help people.  Find topics that people find interesting.  Produce decent videos and promote them through other means.  If people find value, they will watch.  

[zil]

I have found that, excuse the cliché, birds of a feather flock together - that is, a few vulgar folk, without moderators to control them, will attract more vulgar folk and drive out the non-vulgar folk.  You got unlucky, that's all.  If you think about it, you always knew such people existed, you just didn't hang out with them.  Don't be discouraged by the fact that you accidentally ran into them.  Just leave them behind as you move forward.

What you need to do is find a group (or not) where virtue is valued.  More help than a YouTube-how-to community would be a "topic of interest" community.  For example, if I started regularly producing fountain pen videos, I could probably get viewership fairly quickly because I'm known in one fountain pen community.  If I cared about viewer counts, I could go join several other fountain pen communities, get known, and then mention that I've got a video for this or that, and I'd probably rack up viewers pretty quickly - but to keep them, I have to provide regular and frequent new content.

And that's the top advice I've heard - to regularly, consistently publish content (like every Friday to put out a video, or every other Wednesday, or something routine like that).  And you have to do that regardless of viewer-count for a long, long time.  No newbie with three videos on YouTube gets instant thousands of viewers except by fluke and some massive controversy / scandal.

The second best advice I've heard is to find a specialty no one else is making videos about - or a twist, something unique.  For example, no one is focused exclusively on extra-fine nibs (back to fountain pens here).  But that's my preference.  So I could start doing pen and ink reviews about EF nibs, and that would be my niche.  My fellow EF users would want to go there because there's nowhere else to go.

If you're not already watching other videos in your "topic of interest" you should be - so you can see what's liked or not, what's missing, etc.  If you're not already a member of communities devoted to "topic of interest" go join some today!  Get known.  They'll jump-start your viewership, but you can't just show up and in your first post say "here's my YouTube channel" - you've got to make online friends, build a reputation of trust, then when you mention an occasional video, people won't dismiss you as someone who's only there to get viewers.

Edited May 2, 2018 by zil

[Jane_Doe]

10 hours ago, Justme said:

So I made a purchase to a "YouTube Academy" called JumpCut. I hoped it would teach me how to be a YouTuber, and make/advertise better videos. All I got, was some advice I could have gotten for free on regular YouTube channels, and a lot of lessons that included over-the-top vulgarity and over-all crudeness mixed in with standard YouTube advice. 

There was a community section, where someone posted a complaint about all the vulgarity. I agreed with it-- and totally got singled out and ostracized for being a non-cusser/family-friendly promoter. Although, I think it was the first time I have ever been called a pandering archaic minority that doesn't think outside of the proverbial box (cleaned/condensed version). Needless to say, I asked for cancellation (which I'm not sure they will agree too. ouch $$.)

Now I just feel isolated, period. I want to be apart of people's lives who aren't LDS. And even LDS people are hard because they are so, f.r.e.a.k.i.n.g. BUSY. I just want to make YouTube videos with my kids, and have clean fun with the people around me. Why is that so hard??  

I would submit to you that majority of successful YouTuber's a not vulgar at all.  Two of my personal favorites are Peter Hollons and Lindsey Sterling-- both of which are very successful and clean, and appeal to religious and non-religious folks alike. 

Still, comment sections can often be cesspools.  On your own channel you can control this by removing offensive posts/users and promoting a clean environment.  You can't do anything about other folks channels except not read/watch that junk.  

[Justme]

Thank you, everyone. I'm not sure how to respond to individual posts? So I'm just going to write this to the group. :)

I feel a lot better after sleeping on it and praying about it. It's not the social media count/subscriptions/viewcount that bothered me. It was being a part of a "support community" with such open hostility to traditional moral standards. I felt like I literally stumbled into a hornet's nest, and got stung a few times for opening my mouth in support of it.

There is a silver lining here though: This morning I noticed a few of the silent ones upvoting my concerns. I think they were scared off by the militant (what's the word?) opposition... but they were there and felt the same way.  After last night, it wasn't worth responding to the people who were just there to pound in their points. And JumpCut is giving me a refund based on my finished worksheets. They aren't going to make me finish the last module either, in the requirement for the refund.  That was a huge relief, because one of the YouTubers gave me a heads up that the language and porn video references are worse in those modules than the last ones. 

Right now, I'm just feeling grateful that all of you were/are here. And that it's anonymous: which makes it easier. So, Thank you.  

[zil]

PS: Welcome, @Justme!

[anatess2]

1 hour ago, Justme said:

Thank you, everyone. I'm not sure how to respond to individual posts? So I'm just going to write this to the group.

I feel a lot better after sleeping on it and praying about it. It's not the social media count/subscriptions/viewcount that bothered me. It was being a part of a "support community" with such open hostility to traditional moral standards. I felt like I literally stumbled into a hornet's nest, and got stung a few times for opening my mouth in support of it.

There is a silver lining here though: This morning I noticed a few of the silent ones upvoting my concerns. I think they were scared off by the militant (what's the word?) opposition... but they were there and felt the same way.  After last night, it wasn't worth responding to the people who were just there to pound in their points. And JumpCut is giving me a refund based on my finished worksheets. They aren't going to make me finish the last module either, in the requirement for the refund.  That was a huge relief, because one of the YouTubers gave me a heads up that the language and porn video references are worse in those modules than the last ones. 

Right now, I'm just feeling grateful that all of you were/are here. And that it's anonymous: which makes it easier. So, Thank you.  

Most of popular social media is a sewer.   My kids have social media accounts as they play online games with friends and they use social media platforms to communicate/plan/strategize/etc. but other than that, they do not use it.

Social media is inhabited mostly by the millenial generation and younger.  The majority of this set's moral standards is not traditional and they are openly hostile to religion especially in anonymous forums.  Those who do have traditional moral standards and sympathetic to religious beliefs tend to also be Constitutionalists which means they value freedom of speech so they tolerate trolls.  There's a certain internet "culture" in the wide open media and it is generally vicious (just look at the comments on any publicly shared post on Facebook!).  Places like mormonhub is different as they are administered by LDS people.

As far as trying to do something with things such as YouTube or Amazon, et al... most things can be found for free online.  Even medical information.  You can even learn a language for free.  The internet mostly runs off of ads so you, as a consumer, don't need to pay anything, the advertisers do.  But, like they always say... just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it is true.  So you get this massive information highway and you have to figure out for yourself what lane to trust.

Edited May 2, 2018 by anatess2

[NeuroTypical]

Like anywhere in the real world, there are good places to go, neutral places, and horrible places.  

With the internet, you're only one click away from the horrible places. You can end up there with almost zero effort, by chance or accident.  Plus, it's easy for the horrible to find you with very little effort.  And horrible is fickle.

If you want to do fun online things with your kid, hooray.  For the love of pete, don't be looking for validation or positive feedback or anything good back from the internet.  Maybe it will come, maybe it won't.  (Glad you're getting some positive experience here at Mormonhub)

When my young teen daughter wrote her first 3500 word fanfiction, we got it published online.  I couched it in terms of "let's go fishing for trolls and see what happens."  Sure enough, the results were mixed.  One or two positive responses from (supposedly) other young teen girls, one or two spammy links to fraudulent websites, one long rambling manifesto about why Israel is evil.  

Edited May 2, 2018 by NeuroTypical

[Justme]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

Like anywhere in the real world, there are good places to go, neutral places, and horrible places.  

With the internet, you're only one click away from the horrible places. You can end up there with almost zero effort, by chance or accident.  Plus, it's easy for the horrible to find you with very little effort.  And horrible is fickle.

If you want to do fun online things with your kid, hooray.  For the love of pete, don't be looking for validation or positive feedback or anything good back from the internet.  Maybe it will come, maybe it won't.  (Glad you're getting some positive experience here at Mormonhub)

When my young teen daughter wrote her first 3500 word fanfiction, we got it published online.  I couched it in terms of "let's go fishing for trolls and see what happens."  Sure enough, the results were mixed.  One or two positive responses from (supposedly) other young teen girls, one or two spammy links to fraudulent websites, one long rambling manifesto about why Israel is evil.  

I don't think I'll look for validation: But I will look for anything good back from the internet. I think the web is an incredible tool to do both good and bad. I had the misfortune of slipping into one corner of it that was incredibly horrible. And, as a minority conservative millennial, avoiding this kind of tech is super-super hard. However, "the internet" is only comprised of people (most of them masked). I refuse to believe the majority is bad-- it's more like each individual is a mixed bag that is brought to the proverbial table. Zil mentioned that birds of a feather flock together, or in other words, light will attract light as well.  So this YouTube channel we are making will definitely attract trolls (that thankfully I will have the power to deal with as an administrator.) But those good people who come will be worth it to us. We may not get as big as Lindsey Sterling or Claire Ryan-- but that's okay. Just us not under a bushel is okay.

Edited May 2, 2018 by Justme